First of all, I'm an Asian and I need to input Japanese, Korean and so
on. I've tried many PHP IDEs today, but almost non of them supported
Unicode (UTF-8) file.
I've found that the only Unicode support IDEs are DreamWeaver 8 and
Zend PHP Studio.
DreamWeaver provides full support for Unicode. However, DreamWeaver is
a web editor rather than a PHP IDE. It only supports basic IntelliSense
(or code completion) and doesn't have anything like a class view.
Zend PHP Studio supports Unicode but have many problems. It couldn't
display Korean when I set a Japanese font for the editor, and couldn't
display Japanese when I set a Korean font for the editor. The most
obvious problem is it's too slow. It provides really good support for
coding like class view, debugging and advanced IntelliSense, but it's
too slow for my PC.
I think you're PHP professinals. What do you use for PHP development?
I'd like to hear from you. Thanks.
Oct 23 '05
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Jerry Stuckle said the following on 28/10/2005 16:46: Oli Filth wrote:
Jerry Stuckle said the following on 28/10/2005 04:28:
No, my original point was related to the original part of this
thread. You're trying to change that.
At the risk of flogging a dead horse...
If your post was in response to the original part of the thread, then
you should've posted it as a reply there. If you post it as a reply to
an unrelated branch (i.e. one that digressed, like NG discussions tend
to do), you can hardly be surprised when someone says "What the hell?
How does that relate to what I just said?".
You should read back through this branch.
OK... let's see:
Me: The biggest single reason I love an IDE that "understand s" the
language? Project navigation. A project with 100 classes split over
an equally large number of source/header files, in a generic text
editor, if I wanted to look up the the *!!!IMPLEMENTAT ION!!!* of
X::Foo(), I'd either have to remember that Class X is defined
somewhere in source file Y, then search that file (semi)manually, or
do a global search for "Foo()" and wade through the results. In an
IDE, I click on X in class-view, then click on Foo(), and I'm
straight there.
You: Or, you just look it up in the project documentation.
Me: Notice that I was referring to jumping to *implementation *, not
*doucmentation*
You: But Documentation should be completed BEFORE Implementation!
Me: What bearing does that have on anything?
Maybe it's just me, but your responses are complete non-sequiturs!
And AFAIK, in a NG when you reply to *and* quote someone, it's the norm
to post something that follows on in some way!
--
Oli
Oli Filth wrote: Jerry Stuckle said the following on 28/10/2005 16:46:
Oli Filth wrote:
Jerry Stuckle said the following on 28/10/2005 04:28:
No, my original point was related to the original part of this
thread. You're trying to change that.
At the risk of flogging a dead horse...
If your post was in response to the original part of the thread, then
you should've posted it as a reply there. If you post it as a reply
to an unrelated branch (i.e. one that digressed, like NG discussions
tend to do), you can hardly be surprised when someone says "What the
hell? How does that relate to what I just said?".
You should read back through this branch.
OK... let's see:
Me: > The biggest single reason I love an IDE that "understand s" the
> language? Project navigation. A project with 100 classes split over
> an equally large number of source/header files, in a generic text
> editor, if I wanted to look up the the *!!!IMPLEMENTAT ION!!!* of
> X::Foo(), I'd either have to remember that Class X is defined
> somewhere in source file Y, then search that file (semi)manually, or
> do a global search for "Foo()" and wade through the results. In an
> IDE, I click on X in class-view, then click on Foo(), and I'm
> straight there.
You: > Or, you just look it up in the project documentation.
Me: > Notice that I was referring to jumping to *implementation *, not
> *doucmentation*
You: > But Documentation should be completed BEFORE Implementation!
Me: > What bearing does that have on anything?
Maybe it's just me, but your responses are complete non-sequiturs!
And AFAIK, in a NG when you reply to *and* quote someone, it's the norm
to post something that follows on in some way!
Not at all. Documentation should be completed BEFORE implementation.
Don't put the cart before the horst!
--
=============== ===
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp. js*******@attgl obal.net
=============== ===
Can't this thread die already?
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:08:57 +0000, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Ramon wrote:
At least he can spell... ;-)
And he doesn't need to "proove" it!
haha, well sure, you got me there, english isnt my first language, but
I can speak & write 4 languages fluently, how many can you? ;)
Are you counting computer languages! ;-)
Why does it matter if one can speak multiple languages anyway! I speak
'merican! That's all that matters! :-P
<OT rant>
LOL, clearly the arrogant limited view of an 'merican. Maybe you did
not notice but the world is larger than the U.S. of A. And if you want
to sell your product outside your country it definitely helps to speak a
little more than 'merican. Maybe most people in the world have learnt to
speak some English, and that is why you get away with it. But it helps a
lot in building a relation ship with your customer (and sell more!) when
you even try to speak a few words in their language. But what do you care?
Most people know that Americans are superficial and only interested in
short term profits and don't care about building a basis for future growth.
I know that I am generalizing, but I have found that this is true for a
majority of the Americans I know personally. Most are nice and decent
people, but still arrogant. Why do you think the rest of the world loves
the 'mericans so much??? Do not start telling me that I have not met
any real Americans, I did, I lived in your beautiful for a few years.</OT
rant>
I have as well, I lived and worked for a few years in LA & NY. US is not
a pleasant place to live. Very similar to Russia, everyone thinks they
are top shit. The statement above is not a surprise, well at least it
shouldn't be. As people in our industry, are isolated and have very
little social interaction. Sometimes it is so evident, that they can't
even see past their own noses.
Take a look at this thread. Two guys, who were originally arguing the
same fucking point, are now at each other's throats, the way I see it,
is that these two just love arguing, it makes them feel important.
Just simplicity if you ask me.
Fine you proved it: you have some experience, and have an opinion on the
matter of IDE. But the OP asked what IDE people are using, presumably he
already made the decision whether he wants to use an IDE or not.
You wanted to express your opinion?
This could have been done without arguing. In fact this isn't an
exclusive thing just for this topic. These two have done exactly the
same shit in numerous other threads.
Sad really.
paul wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:08:57 +0000, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
Ramon wrote:
At least he can spell... ;-)
And he doesn't need to "proove" it!
haha, well sure, you got me there, english isnt my first language, but
I can speak & write 4 languages fluently, how many can you? ;)
Are you counting computer languages! ;-)
Why does it matter if one can speak multiple languages anyway! I speak
'merican! That's all that matters! :-P
<OT rant>
LOL, clearly the arrogant limited view of an 'merican. Maybe you did
not notice but the world is larger than the U.S. of A. And if you want
to sell your product outside your country it definitely helps to speak a
little more than 'merican. Maybe most people in the world have learnt to
speak some English, and that is why you get away with it. But it helps a
lot in building a relation ship with your customer (and sell more!) when
you even try to speak a few words in their language. But what do you care?
Most people know that Americans are superficial and only interested in
short term profits and don't care about building a basis for future growth.
I know that I am generalizing, but I have found that this is true for a
majority of the Americans I know personally. Most are nice and decent
people, but still arrogant. Why do you think the rest of the world loves
the 'mericans so much??? Do not start telling me that I have not met
any real Americans, I did, I lived in your beautiful for a few years.</OT
rant>
Ramon wrote: I have as well, I lived and worked for a few years in LA & NY. US is
not a pleasant place to live. Very similar to Russia, everyone thinks
they are top shit.
That just says how out of touch you really are!
The statement above is not a surprise, well at least it shouldn't be.
As people in our industry, are isolated and have very little social
interaction. Sometimes it is so evident, that they can't even see
past their own noses.
Is social interaction required to express a technical opinion?
Take a look at this thread. Two guys, who were originally arguing the
same fucking point, are now at each other's throats, the way I see it,
is that these two just love arguing, it makes them feel important.
I'm at nobody's throat!
Just simplicity if you ask me.
Fine you proved it: you have some experience, and have an opinion on
the matter of IDE. But the OP asked what IDE people are using,
presumably he already made the decision whether he wants to use an IDE
or not.
Topics drift. Get use to it.
You wanted to express your opinion?
Yes I did.
This could have been done without arguing.
And yes I did that too. Then people started debating things. Nothing
wrong with that. Then mud started flying. Happens all the time.
In fact this isn't an exclusive thing just for this topic. These two
have done exactly the same shit in numerous other threads.
Now you're starting to see the light...
Sad really.
It is the state of humanity really...
--
A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first
thought of. - Burt Bacharach
paul wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:08:57 +0000, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
Ramon wrote:
At least he can spell... ;-)
And he doesn't need to "proove" it!
haha, well sure, you got me there, english isnt my first language,
but I can speak & write 4 languages fluently, how many can you? ;)
Are you counting computer languages! ;-)
Why does it matter if one can speak multiple languages anyway! I
speak 'merican! That's all that matters! :-P
BTW: I was putting forth a joke. But since you wish to be serious about
this and sling mud... well let the mud sling!
<OT rant>
LOL, clearly the arrogant limited view of an 'merican.
Yes I do have an arrogant view (I don't think it's limited, however).
I'm a jerk and an asshole and proud of it! I decided long ago that
"fureigners " will call Americans arrogant no matter what you do. And I'm
not about to go kissing butt of anybody who wishes to levy such a
charge. As I've often said, if I'm gonna do the time then I might as
well do the crime! Here comes the crime...
Maybe you did not notice but the world is larger than the U.S. of A.
Yeah but all of the rest of it is irrelevant.
And if you want to sell your product outside your country it
definitely helps to speak a little more than 'merican.
I ain't selling any products nor anything outside the country so
personally I couldn't give a ratt's ass. And even if I were selling
stuff outside the US there are plenty of people who will buy without
insisting I speak their language. Evidence of this abounds...
Maybe most people in the world have learnt to speak some English, and
that is why you get away with it.
Ah ha! Well think about that statement a little harder there bud! Cause
it just contradicts your previous statement by directly saying that
people will learn and deal with English (only) speaking people because
we often have what they need. They don't do it out of the goodness of
their heart nor because they somehow find English fascinating. They do
it because they need to or want to someday go to a Western country or
the US to raise their standard of living. They do it because knowing
English raises their value the most, whereas say learning Hymalayan
won't do them diddly squat!
But it helps a lot in building a relation ship with your customer (and
sell more!) when you even try to speak a few words in their language.
But what do you care?
Actually - no! It's by and large not necessary as they will learn your
language.
Most people know that Americans are superficial and only interested in
short term profits and don't care about building a basis for future
growth.
Most people are jealous of others. So what?
And Americans are not only interested in short term profits. It's more
that they are not interested in building a basis for future growth with
you because they don't see you as something that has much potential. If
there is much long term potential we will build a basis for future
growth. What you don't understand is that very often it just is not
worth our effort because the ROI is too little.
I know that I am generalizing, but I have found that this is true for
a majority of the Americans I know personally. Most are nice and
decent people, but still arrogant.
When you got what it takes you can be arrogant.
Why do you think the rest of the world loves the 'mericans so much???
Because we got what they want. It's pretty simple really...
Do not start telling me that I have not met any real Americans, I did,
I lived in your beautiful for a few years.</OT rant>
Oh I'm not saying you haven't met any real Americans. You perhaps don't
understand them.
--
How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink?
>>I'm a jerk and an asshole and proud of it!
Agreed. Yeah but all of the rest of it is irrelevant.
Now thats really amusing, considering if Russia and/or any other country
raise its petrol price above a certain amount, US will go into recession
as opposed to many European and Asian economies.
They do it because they need to or want to someday go to a Western country or
the USt to raise their sandard of living. They do it because knowing
English raises their value the most, whereas say learning Hymalayan
won't do them diddly squat!
Good point, but I see you mentioned "western" country, so you agree its
not just the US. Furthermore people learn English because so many people
in the world speak it, and not because of the US, in fact it has diddly
shit all to do with your polluted industrial waist land. And more with
Britain, and their colonies (including Australia & NZ).
When you got what it takes you can be arrogant.
Got what it takes?! :) HA! Reminds me of all those retarded Hollywood
WWII films. Where after watching it, one would think that the US had a
large part to play in pushing Nazi Germany back, and winning the war
(which was pathetic, compared to say Britain and Russia). What 'mericans
are good at is ballooning everything, their accomplishments , loses.
Story tellers really. Kind of like you.
Because we got what they want. It's pretty simple really...
What have you got? Targets for RussiansBrides. com? That break your
hearts and steal all your money? That you do... That you do... Whats the
suicide rate in the states? I recommend you have a look at it.
Oh I'm not saying you haven't met any real Americans. You perhaps don't
understand them.
Oh I understand them, I was on a business trip once, in central Sydney.
I was walking into my hotel, and I happen to meet a 'merican in the
elevator, who I followed to spread over the elevator walls. No manners,
no dignity, no self respect. All started over a elevator system, where
*shock horror* you had two different sets of elevators, the ones for
even numbers and another one for odd. Started swearing and abusing
everyone, was really amusing. Well not for him.
Ramon wrote:
(Some people really need to get a dictionary and look up the term
sarcastic. But I'll play long here...) I'm a jerk and an asshole and proud of it!
Agreed.
Thank you!
Yeah but all of the rest of it is irrelevant.
Now thats really amusing, considering if Russia and/or any other
country raise its petrol price above a certain amount, US will go into
recession as opposed to many European and Asian economies.
Sounds like a wonderful war time tactic. Wonder why it's rarely used...
They do it because they need to or want to someday go to a Western
country or the USt to raise their sandard of living. They do it
because knowing English raises their value the most, whereas say
learning Hymalayan won't do them diddly squat!
Good point, but I see you mentioned "western" country, so you agree
its not just the US.
No (Again, see sarcastic)
Furthermore people learn English because so many people in the world
speak it,
Bingo! And why is that?
and not because of the US,
Well it's surely not because of England. England may have gotten the
English language out to many countries but people don't learn English
now a days because of England. English is the language of business and
more importantly English is the language spoken in America!
in fact it has diddly shit all to do with your polluted industrial
waist land.
Ah an eco freak!
And more with Britain, and their colonies (including Australia & NZ).
Yeah, right. Sure... See above (and see sarcastic)
When you got what it takes you can be arrogant.
Got what it takes?! :) HA!
Thanks for the acknowledgment!
Reminds me of all those retarded Hollywood WWII films.
I don't produce Hollywood films.
Where after watching it, one would think that the US had a large part
to play in pushing Nazi Germany back, and winning the war (which was
pathetic, compared to say Britain and Russia).
Yeah but we were smart enough to let them do our dirty work!
What 'mericans are good at is ballooning everything, their
accomplishments , loses. Story tellers really. Kind of like you.
Hollywood produces entertainment - not reality (reality shows aside -
and they're not reality either)! Apparently you were unable to detect
the difference...
Because we got what they want. It's pretty simple really...
What have you got?
Why, what people want, of course!
Targets for RussiansBrides. com?
They want it...
That break your hearts and steal all your money?
Some do...
That you do... That you do... Whats the suicide rate in the states?
Don't know. Is that important? It doesn't seem to stop people from
wanting to be here...
I recommend you have a look at it.
What fer?
Oh I'm not saying you haven't met any real Americans. You perhaps
don't understand them.
Oh I understand them,
So you think.
I was on a business trip once, in central Sydney. I was walking into
my hotel, and I happen to meet a 'merican in the elevator, who I
followed to spread over the elevator walls.
Really? You spread this 'merican dude over the elevator walls?!? Cool
trick (I guess).
No manners, no dignity, no self respect.
I wonder what he said of you?
All started over a elevator system, where *shock horror* you had two
different sets of elevators, the ones for even numbers and another one
for odd.
Utterly stupid. Let me guess, you're thinking this is a good thing right?
Started swearing and abusing everyone, was really amusing. Well not
for him.
Oh so then one gains manners, dignity and self respect by tolerating
asinine elevator systems? Interesting philosophy there bud. Nah, here in
America we look at the ridiculous and devise better, more efficient ways
of doing things. The first step to this is challenging the status quo -
otherwise you get nowhere. I guess you are saying that in other
countries, in order to be polite, you don't question things, thus things
never progress. Yeah that's smart and explains why many countries remain
back assed and dislike Americans because we come up with new things by
challenging things that we see are wrong or could be improved.
Yeah never tell anybody when you see inefficiency or foolishness! Hell
they might improve it! But when in foreign countries they will instead
simply be insulted instead of looking at the problem, thus not do
anything about it. They are much more worried about their pride than
anything else.
That said I'm proud to be an arrogant, jerk, even/odd elevator system
hating American!
--
Do people in France use American ticklers?
Surely Godwin's Law <http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law> now
applies and this crap must fizzle out... isn't September over yet, FFS?
---
Steve
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