a pre-beginner's question: what is the pros and cons of .net, compared to ++

[lester]

a pre-beginner's question:
what is the pros and cons of .net, compared to ++

I am wondering what can I get if I continue to learn C# after I have learned
C --> C++ --> C# ??

I think there must be many know the answer here.

thanks

BR
----------------
Lester

[Cor Ligthert]

Lester

Simply answer, it is a next step in the evolution of that language, and than
you ask "yes and than?

It is more logical to write, however as with all evolutions are there staid
some legacy, where the users are used too however could have been as well
changed however that is not done direct.

I give no examples because that goes always to endless discussions.

Cor


"lester" <ho************ **@etang.com> schreef in bericht
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a pre-beginner's question:
what is the pros and cons of .net, compared to ++

I am wondering what can I get if I continue to learn C# after I have
learned
C --> C++ --> C# ??

I think there must be many know the answer here.

thanks

BR
----------------
Lester

[lester]

thank you Cor,
maybe I have to study some abc about .NET before I know for whom .NET is
designed.

about C++, we should say"C++ really makes program very natural, simple, easy
to understand, easy to maintain..., than C."
about C# we should say"????"

Anyone can tell your understanding of .NET(esp, C#) to me?

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Lester

"Cor Ligthert" <no************ @planet.nl> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ
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Lester

Simply answer, it is a next step in the evolution of that language, and than you ask "yes and than?

It is more logical to write, however as with all evolutions are there staid some legacy, where the users are used too however could have been as well
changed however that is not done direct.

I give no examples because that goes always to endless discussions.

Cor


"lester" <ho************ **@etang.com> schreef in bericht
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a pre-beginner's question:
what is the pros and cons of .net, compared to ++

I am wondering what can I get if I continue to learn C# after I have
learned
C --> C++ --> C# ??

I think there must be many know the answer here.

thanks

BR
----------------
Lester

[Niki Estner]

"lester" <ho************ **@etang.com> wrote in
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a pre-beginner's question:
what is the pros and cons of .net, compared to ++
(I assume "++" means "C++"?)
You can write perfect .NET programs using C++: Types marked as "managed"
(using some cryptic new keywords) will benefit of .NET's advantages: Garbage
Collection, Reflection, language interoperabilit y to name just a few. Plus,
you can use any managed type (e.g. types from the .NET framework library) in
your "ordinary" C++ code.
On the other hand, this also means you have another String class, another
Array class, another memory management pattern (...) to choose from - as if
C++ didn't have enough already.
That's the point where C# comes in: It sacrifices backwards compatiblity for
clarity - one string type, one array type...
I am wondering what can I get if I continue to learn C# after I have
learned
C --> C++ --> C# ??

You'd learn a modern, clean, purely-object-oriented language. If you ever
thought "why do I need all those different string types like char*,
wchar_t*, string, CString, BSTR...", then should really give C# a try.

Niki

[Sean Hederman]

Lester,

..NET is a platform on which programs run. You then use a programming
language (like C#, or VB.NET, or C++/CLI) to write programs for that
platform. The .NET platform is a bit different from the standard
Windows/Linux platforms, and very similar to the JVM in that there is a
unified type system, and garbage collection. Now, C++ doesn't port to this
kind of world very easily, so they created C#. C# is built with the .NET
platform in mind. It's a bit simpler than C++, and waaay easier to program
in. For that you sacrifice a little speed and a few fairly esoteric features
(goodbye MI, we hardly knew you). In many ways C# is very similar to the
Java programming language, since they both come from the C-style of families
and are both targeted at garbage-collected (or managed) environments.

As for that quote of yours about C++, that really cracked me up. I suppose
you were comparing it to C, and in that context C++ is more natural, simpler
and easier to use. I think you'll find that C# is quite a bit more natural,
simple, and easy to use than C++.

Regards

Sean

"lester" <ho************ **@etang.com> wrote in message
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thank you Cor,
maybe I have to study some abc about .NET before I know for whom .NET is
designed.

about C++, we should say"C++ really makes program very natural, simple,
easy
to understand, easy to maintain..., than C."
about C# we should say"????"

Anyone can tell your understanding of .NET(esp, C#) to me?

------------
Lester

"Cor Ligthert" <no************ @planet.nl> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ
:OP************ **@TK2MSFTNGP09 .phx.gbl...

Lester

Simply answer, it is a next step in the evolution of that language, and

than

you ask "yes and than?

It is more logical to write, however as with all evolutions are there

staid

some legacy, where the users are used too however could have been as well
changed however that is not done direct.

I give no examples because that goes always to endless discussions.

Cor


"lester" <ho************ **@etang.com> schreef in bericht
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>a pre-beginner's question:
> what is the pros and cons of .net, compared to ++
>
> I am wondering what can I get if I continue to learn C# after I have
> learned
> C --> C++ --> C# ??
>
> I think there must be many know the answer here.
>
> thanks
>
> BR
> ----------------
> Lester
>
>

[Ron Ruble]

Comments inline

Sean Hederman wrote:

Lester,

.NET is a platform on which programs run. You then use a programming
language (like C#, or VB.NET, or C++/CLI) to write programs for that
platform. The .NET platform is a bit different from the standard
Windows/Linux platforms, and very similar to the JVM in that there is a
unified type system, and garbage collection.

Also, Lester, note that a key difference in the design of
the DotNet platform and the JVM is that the JVM was built
to support Sun's idea of the one right language, Java.
DotNet was designed to be language agnostic.

Java: any platform, one virtual machine, one language.
Tools were left to the users to work out.

DotNet: any language, one primary virtual machine, one
primary platform, but open enough to support multiple
platforms. Google for the Mono project for details.
Tools were designed by MS, largely unified tool set
for any language *
* imperfectly done, but that was the goal. getting better.

[Cor Ligthert]

Ron,

Java is full of English.

The real one right programming tool would have at least Chinese words
instead of that.

For me that is not necessary by the way however when you state something do
it than at least right, while have overthought what that right programming
tools would be.

Cor

[Nick Malik [Microsoft]]

Good point, Cor.

Why not create a simple parser/translator that can be used to preprocess the
C#. That way, a developer in China could use a localized name instead of
the english words (like 'if' and 'while'). The preprocessor can change the
names of the keywords back to english before compiling.

With a little imagination, this could work for many natural languages.
Arabic and Hebrew may be a challenging because of the right-to-left word
order, but I'm sure that could be worked out. Such a tool could make it
more natural for non-english-speaking people to write code.

Hmmmmm....

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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
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I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
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"Cor Ligthert" <no************ @planet.nl> wrote in message
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Ron,

Java is full of English.

The real one right programming tool would have at least Chinese words
instead of that.

For me that is not necessary by the way however when you state something do it than at least right, while have overthought what that right programming
tools would be.

Cor

[Cor Ligthert]

Nick,

I write this, however don't think it is right, so forget please the idea.

When you want to know why tell that, than I will write it to you. I am a
little bit ill the last days so is it not good to answer those things when
it has to be serious as the mind is not as it should be.

(you have my email)

Cor

[Cor Ligthert]

I should have sent you this too your email address, however as I said a
little bit ill. I stop answering for today.

Cor