I am a bit curious about this.
The graphic design people I work with say it is their preferred font for
web pages. The reason being that it is "kinder" to the eye both in terms
of shape and size.
The HTML "hardcore elititst" profess that it is a useless font because
it is too big compared to other fonts.
Personally I do not care one way or the other, but I generally trust
graphic designers more than programmers and rules lawyers when it comes
to pure design.
It seems to me that the only argument against using Verdana is that a
large number of browsers do not support it and therefore it causes their
pages to render with a very small font.
Can anyone honestly say they do not have the Verdana font installed?
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Rick Cook wrote: Okay, I'm totally missing something here. Every visual browser I'm
familiar with has a choice under the 'view' option to increase the size
of the text by various percentages. Being old as well as slow, I often
read pages at 120-200 percent, depending on font size and background.
I'm certainly not advocating unreadable fonts (although Ghu knows there
are enough unreadable pages out there), but it seems to me that once
again the user triumphs.
What am I missing?
What you may be missing is that, if the font size is specified in
absolute units, like pixels, IE's View TextSize function does not change
the text size. A browser like Firefox can, but there are still a few
people out there who use IE.
Martin! wrote: That's why using pt or px is a bad idea.
idealistic and thus unrealistic
How? I have never had a problem avoiding absolute units, and many other
designers have likewise never had such a problem.
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, =?ISO-8859-
1?Q?St=E5le_S=E 6b=F8e?= wrote: Lauri Raittila wrote: in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Els wrote:>>>Then you haven't looked at my site. 100% Verdana ;-)
http://80.202.168.171/sandbox/
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Both sites immidiately make me use alt + s, s to get Arial instead
Verdana...
Which is your prerogative. And does that make the sites look ok to you?
No, since my normal text size is best for TNR. I just didn't have
shortcut key for forcing TNR. It makes them look better...
If you had not selected any font, I would get optimal font on your site,
without needing to force anything. The problem with forcing your
preferences is that it is next to impossible force body type, and leave
everything else alone. In other words, you can't force your preferences
without causeing harm on properly done sites.
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>
Utrecht, NL.
Lauri Raittila wrote: in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, =?ISO-8859-
1?Q?St=E5le_S=E 6b=F8e?= wrote: Lauri Raittila wrote: in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Els wrote:
>>>>Then you haven't looked at my site. 100% Verdana ;-)
>http://80.202.168.171/sandbox/ Els http://locusmeus.com/
Both sites immidiately make me use alt + s, s to get Arial instead
Verdana...
Which is your prerogative. And does that make the sites look ok to you?
No, since my normal text size is best for TNR. I just didn't have
shortcut key for forcing TNR. It makes them look better...
If you had not selected any font, I would get optimal font on your site,
without needing to force anything. The problem with forcing your
preferences is that it is next to impossible force body type, and leave
everything else alone. In other words, you can't force your preferences
without causeing harm on properly done sites.
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, Lauri: "properly done
sites" = "no font set at all" ?
If so, I disagree. I bet the most proper way to do a site for you is
to set no colour either, nor add any images that don't really mean
anything, nor make the menu stick to the left or right, and don't make
the footer's font size smaller than the body text.
How am I doing in my assumption?
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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
"Martin!" <ma**********@h ome.nl.knip.kni p.knip> wrote: That's why using pt or px is a bad idea.
idealistic and thus unrealistic
I've used % for font sizing on dozens of commercial and public sector
web sites including some used by millions of visitors. Please tell me
how it is unrealistic?
Steve
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"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor
Steve Pugh <st***@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>
Lauri Raittila wrote: First I would need to find font that I like.
kchayka <us****@c-net.us> posted:
Finally, someone who understands. :)
Seems like I change my browser default font every month looking for that
perfect screen font. Neither Verdana nor Arial is it, of that I'm sure.
I'm not convinced there is only one, anyway. Sometimes serif is better,
sometimes sans. It depends on the content and how fatigued my eyes are.
I spent quite some time fiddling with the supplied fonts trying to find one
that was easy to read on my web browser (that was my main criteria, even
more so than looking brilliant). I settled on Georgia, for Windows.
Unfortunately its weight does waste toner while printing, so I'll probably
configure that differently.
I have my own "sore eyes" CSS file to override some websites awful ideas
about what's readable, I apply it when I read a page that makes my eyes
hurt. It makes *all* text the same size (the size I find it easy to read
with), the exception being that headings are a bit bigger than the other
text. It also kills the background and foreground colours, and adjusts the
line spacing. What were web browser authors thinking of when they squashed
the lines closer together than normal? Apart from being harder to read, as
soon as you use characters with accents, etc., they either overlap the line
above, or shove those lines of text further apart than the rest of the
document.
But, in summary, ease of reading depends on a combination of factors:
Font design (it's style, if you like)
Font aspect ratio
Font size
Font weight
Inter-character spacing
Inter-line spacing
Colours
Get them all right, which only I can do for myself, and I find reading to
be a breeze. Get only one of them only a small bit out of kilter, and it
makes reading a lot harder. While that may not be very significant for a
small page, it is for long pages, or where you've spent a long time reading
many pages.
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Steve Pugh wrote: "Martin!" <ma**********@h ome.nl.knip.kni p.knip> wrote:
That's why using pt or px is a bad idea.
idealistic and thus unrealistic
I've used % for font sizing on dozens of commercial and public sector
web sites including some used by millions of visitors. Please tell me
how it is unrealistic?
Steve
in the sense that not everybody is willing to spend time and money to
tweak their code into a completely sizeable site.
not in the sense that it is impossible, which i am sure it often is.
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, Martin! wrote: Steve Pugh wrote: "Martin!" <ma**********@h ome.nl.knip.kni p.knip> wrote:
That's why using pt or px is a bad idea.
idealistic and thus unrealistic
in the sense that not everybody is willing to spend time and money to
tweak their code into a completely sizeable site.
It is unrealistic and idealistic to think that you can make a layout that
works if you use fixed fontsize.
not in the sense that it is impossible, which i am sure it often is.
Never seen layout, that couldn't be done better and easier using relative
font size. Have seen thousands of pages that fall apart when wrong
fontsize is used. (mine is, BTW, browser default... Tells something about
how fragile fixed sizing is - when I used smaller font, I saw more pages
that broke down (on low ppi), same when using bigger than default (on
high ppi)
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>
Utrecht, NL.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Martin! wrote: in the sense that not everybody is willing to spend time and money
to tweak their code into a completely sizeable site.
Leaving it at the user's chosen default size is still an effective
option. So why "tweak" (your term, not mine) it to -any- size, if
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