I am a bit curious about this.
The graphic design people I work with say it is their preferred font for
web pages. The reason being that it is "kinder" to the eye both in terms
of shape and size.
The HTML "hardcore elititst" profess that it is a useless font because
it is too big compared to other fonts.
Personally I do not care one way or the other, but I generally trust
graphic designers more than programmers and rules lawyers when it comes
to pure design.
It seems to me that the only argument against using Verdana is that a
large number of browsers do not support it and therefore it causes their
pages to render with a very small font.
Can anyone honestly say they do not have the Verdana font installed?
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> in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, SeaPlusPlus wrote: If you want to test monitors go ahead... but I want to test fonts and
that should be done on LCD's.
Lauri Raittila wrote:
If you want to test fonts on web, you need to use all kinds of monitors
and their settings. My point was to not limit the test to one.
Correct, Lauri, it's a trick... there's two of them...
Thank you...
Rich
> SeaPlusPlus wrote: Having the headings h5 and h6 (and sometimes h4) smaller than the body
text has been the norm since long before you ever coded any HTML.
Lauri Raittila wrote:
But it has never been good idea.
There's really two issues here...
First issue...
If anyone thinks that any dessertation, (book, report, white paper,
brochure, essay, news report, technical paper, web page), or whatever
would need to go SIX LEVELS DEEP they need to rethink what they are
doing. So, that would imply that h5 and h6 may (and probably should) be
used for something other than a header (as you or I would define
header). One place h6 (being smaller than body) may be used is as a
footer for copyright or other disclaimer.
We must NOT be coerced into thinking that body text size is the smallest
size tolerable on a page. Yes, body text size should be what the user
has chosen for body text. That is to say, the size of paragraphs in a
book or paragraph text in a newspaper etc. is far and away the size of
the majority of the entire content of the work. It is imperative the
style and size chosen be comfortably readable. But to think that the
user can't tolerate some other (small) part of the work at a smaller
size is folly. Truth is h1 through h6 is just a syntax handle to
designate font and font size (among other properties) larger and
smaller. The keyword 'header' is not to be taken TOOOOOOO literaly
because the logical extension is something is missing how can we have
<hn> for 'HEADER' without <fn> FOOTER ! ! ! ;-)
So, I'll defend using h6 at a smaller than body size.
Second issue...
Actually, we should never say always and we should always never say
never... so, we are wrong when we say anything "has never been a good
idea". but that's another subject... ;-) <just kidding>
Thank you...
Rich
SeaPlusPlus wrote: Truth is h1 through h6 is just a syntax handle to
designate font and font size (among other properties) larger and
smaller.
Technically not entirely correct. It is considered well formedness that
h2 is preceeded by h1 and so on ... but So, I'll defend using h6 at a smaller than body size.
Should not be necessary to defend that standpoint even. Second issue...
Actually, we should never say always and we should always never say
never...
hehe I agree. Too many posters make prolific or inappropriate(h ehe) use
of the terms "always", "never", "should" and "appropriat e".
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, =?ISO-8859-
1?Q?St=E5le_S=E 6b=F8e?= wrote: SeaPlusPlus wrote: Truth is h1 through h6 is just a syntax handle to
designate font and font size (among other properties) larger and
smaller.
No, actually that is not true. That is syntax to indicate different level
of headings, and make have no relevance at all on font size.
Technically not entirely correct. It is considered well formedness that
h2 is preceeded by h1 and so on ... but
Of course, well formed is technical term completly irrelevant to issue.
Anyway, if you use standard HTML (ISO), then you can't skip headings.
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>
Utrecht, NL.
>>SeaPlusPlus wrote: Truth is h1 through h6 is just a syntax handle to
designate font and font size (among other properties) larger and
smaller.
Lauri Raittila wrote:
No, actually that is not true. That is syntax to indicate different level
of headings, and make have no relevance at all on font size.
Lauri... pick an answer that you'd like to see... then drop it okay?
(1.)
Argumentative aren't we?
(2.)
<sacrasm>
Oh right, <h1> through <h6> doesn't allow me to adjust font and font
size, how ignorant of me.
</sarcasm>
(3.)
Yep, and h6 can still be smaller than body text. Unless, of course, if
you in an argumentative state and disagree than that I'm sorry I can't
help you then.
(4.)
You are correct, again, most noble and deserving carbon-based collection
of quarks in the universe or universes (as the case may be...). ;-)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E5le_S=E 6b=F8e?= wrote:
Technically not entirely correct. It is considered well formedness that
h2 is preceeded by h1 and so on ... but
Of course, well formed is technical term completly irrelevant to issue.
Anyway, if you use standard HTML (ISO), then you can't skip headings.
hmmm....
I'll have to descide if I qualify on that account... never considered it.
Thank you...
Rich
In article <L8************ ********@comcas t.com>, SeaPlusPlus <Se*********@ho tmail.com> wrote: SeaPlusPlu s wrote:Truth is h1 through h6 is just a syntax handle to
designate font and font size (among other properties) larger and
smaller.
Lauri Raittila wrote:
No, actually that is not true. That is syntax to indicate different level
of headings, and make have no relevance at all on font size.
(2.)
<sacrasm>
Oh right, <h1> through <h6> doesn't allow me to adjust font and font
size, how ignorant of me.
</sarcasm>
It doesn't :) The browser decides to render it in whatever size it deems
appropriate, taking into consideration any stylesheets it's been told about,
and/or any user settings.
(3.)
Yep, and h6 can still be smaller than body text.
In my brower (Opera), the H6 size settings are not smaller the my default text
size. It also by default renders then in a different font then normal text.
And that is the point. If you are marking up something as Hx *only* because
you wish it to be visually presented in some manner, then you have used the
wrong markup and your readers may not see something that ends up making much
sense.
If, on the other hand, you used Hx elemtents on what logically are actual
headings for the content in your page, then the reader will see things in a
decent manner, even if they have completely over-ridden all presentational
aspects of your document. Or the next version of Internet Explorer changes
the default presentation of such elements to something else.
I know this can seem like a small point, but in fact if someone doesn't
understand the difference, it can lead to very bad practices and incorrectly
rendered pages.
For example, from your previous, recent posts, I imagine you'd never use some
Hx element instead of, say, BLOCKQUOTE, just because you liked the size of it.
But it's not unheard of for someone new to web authoring to end up doing
something exactly like that because they just think that "Hx tags change the
font size". Hence the insistence on the distinction. If no one ever made
such a mistake, then no one would ever bother to point out the distinction.
"C A Upsdell" <""cupsdellXXX\ "@-@-@XXXupsdell.com "> wrote in message
news:RM******** ************@ro gers.com... Rick Cook wrote: Okay, I'm totally missing something here. Every visual browser I'm
familiar with has a choice under the 'view' option to increase the size
of the text by various percentages. Being old as well as slow, I often
read pages at 120-200 percent, depending on font size and background.
I'm certainly not advocating unreadable fonts (although Ghu knows there
are enough unreadable pages out there), but it seems to me that once
again the user triumphs.
What am I missing?
What you may be missing is that, if the font size is specified in
absolute units, like pixels, IE's View TextSize function does not change
the text size. A browser like Firefox can, but there are still a few
people out there who use IE.
Still a few people using IE??? According to the w3c 68% of their visitors
use IE: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
IMO IE users are probally the least likely to visit the w3c site (I hardly
ever go there) so I suspect the real percentage of IE users world wide is
much higher. Ducking back in my hole now.
Signed,
me
"Ståle Sæbøe" <ot*****@tdz.no > wrote in message
news:42******** @news.broadpark .no... Els wrote: Ståle Sæbøe wrote:
Els wrote:
Martin Bialasinski wrote:
>It is OK to define Verdana as the font face, as the body font size is
>set to 100%. And I have not seen a page doing this. They all scale
>Verdana down.
Then you haven't looked at my site. 100% Verdana ;-)
Mine too! :)
But where is it?
Oh :)
I guess its not really a site yet :)
http://80.202.168.171/sandbox/
They both look fine to me in IE so Verdana must be OK!
Signed,
me
"Lauri Raittila" <la***@raittila .cjb.net> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@news.individu al.net...
[snip] Rather, don't put any irrelevant information to footer (like legal
statements, copyright, etc. first you might need if you are based in US
or other country with idiotic justice system...)
WOAH there girlie! I can assume from that statement that you live in a poor
third world country that doesn't enjoy the just and equitable rule of law
that we here in the US have where there are copyright and other laws to
protect the property and rights of our citizens, if so then you have my
condolenceses.
I would assume that sooner or later soe nice US citizen makes end of
smaller size footer tradition by going to court and saying he was not
able to see it...
I invite you to check the US courts rulings on software end users license
agreements for an answer to that question.
Signed,
me
me wrote: Okay, I'm totally missing something here. Every visual browser I'm
familiar with has a choice under the 'view' option to increase the size
of the text by various percentages. Being old as well as slow, I often
read pages at 120-200 percent, depending on font size and background.
I'm certainly not advocating unreadable fonts (although Ghu knows there
are enough unreadable pages out there), but it seems to me that once
again the user triumphs.
What am I missing?
What you may be missing is that, if the font size is specified in
absolute units, like pixels, IE's View TextSize function does not change
the text size. A browser like Firefox can, but there are still a few
people out there who use IE.
Still a few people using IE??? According to the w3c 68% of their visitors
use IE:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
IMO IE users are probally the least likely to visit the w3c site (I hardly
ever go there) so I suspect the real percentage of IE users world wide is
much higher. Ducking back in my hole now.
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