hello,
would any kind soul explain what is top posting, since i dont have www
access. to reply to a post, i open it in the outlook express and click
reply group and that's all. what the top posting all about..?
Kind Regards,
Ravishankar
Aug 13 '07
48  1771 
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:51:07 +0000, Richard Heathfield
<rj*@see.sig.in validwrote:
>Kenneth Brody said:
<snip>
>(Unfortunately , some people at work whom I can't simply ignore are
among those who "just don't get it". And their e-mail client doesn't
help matters by defaulting to "improperly quote everything and place
the cursor at the top".)
I used to think this was incorrect behaviour too, but I've heard an
intriguing counter-argument, to the effect that the entire article is
quoted because the client doesn't know what you want to quote - which
is surely fair enough - and then the cursor is placed at the top so
that you can proceed through the text from top to bottom, deciding at
each step what to snip and what to quote and reply to. That's certainly
a workable way to write a reply, and it can reasonably be said that
working that way round reduces the risk of accidental over-quoting.
By replacing it with deliberate over-quoting, which many people don't
bother to trim at all? Defaulting to quoting nothing would probably
reduce the risk of overquoting ;-)
>(It
is definitely the case that I sometimes over-quote in error, so I am
considering telling my client to place the cursor at the top of a
reply, at least on a trial basis.)
My client, by default, quotes everything and puts the cursor at the
top. It doesn't really matter - it's a GUI client, and I swipe to
delete, and click where I want to reply. It wouldn't really matter if
the cursor started at the bottom.
--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:23:14 GMT, John Smith <JS****@mail.ne twrote:
>Kenny McCormack wrote:
>In article <f9**********@n ews4.fe.interne t.bosch.com>,
Ravishankar S <s.***********@ de.bosch.comwro te:
...
>>>- Thanks Jens. Quite simple ha ! In other news groups, they didnt bother
about the way I posted..!
The participants in other newsgroups have these things called "lives".
Kenny, what do *you* do when you're not reading c.l.c. ?
Let me guess - he trolls other newsgroups, too?
--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
On 13 Aug, 14:20, Richard <rgr...@gmail.c omwrote:
Ivar Rosquist <IRosqu...@irq. orgwrites:
I agree with your views on this. What I don't like are the self-
appointed network policemen, whose kneejerk reaction is just to condemn
top posting, without qualifications, as though top-posting were something
intrinsically evil.
Personally I find it best to ignore all but the worst repeat offenders
of top posting as most people pick it up as they go along and learn by
example and reading repeated juvenile attacks on top posters is, simply,
boring to the extreme.
Even more depressing is reading posts by people who say "don't top
post" but don't say what top posting is. The next response is almost
always the same person again, asking "what is top posting?" - in a top
posted reply.
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.in validwrites:
Kenneth Brody said:
<snip>
>(Unfortunately , some people at work whom I can't simply ignore are
among those who "just don't get it". And their e-mail client doesn't
help matters by defaulting to "improperly quote everything and place
the cursor at the top".)
I used to think this was incorrect behaviour too, but I've heard an
intriguing counter-argument, to the effect that the entire article is
quoted because the client doesn't know what you want to quote - which
is surely fair enough - and then the cursor is placed at the top so
that you can proceed through the text from top to bottom, deciding at
each step what to snip and what to quote and reply to. That's certainly
a workable way to write a reply, and it can reasonably be said that
working that way round reduces the risk of accidental over-quoting. (It
is definitely the case that I sometimes over-quote in error, so I am
considering telling my client to place the cursor at the top of a
reply, at least on a trial basis.)
I just noticed that my own newsreader (Gnus) does exactly this: it
quotes the entire article and puts the cursor above the quoted text.
It also quotes the signature. (I'm sure it can be configured to do
anything I want.)
It's never bothered me because I almost automatically delete
irrelevant text, including the signature, and start my reply at the
bottom. And I suppose it would be a little less convenient for me if
it put the cursor at the bottom, so I'd have to go back up to trim the
quotation.
It's certainly possible to post properly, even with a newsreader that
encourages you to post improperly. It's just a matter of education
(and, failing that, filtering).
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <* <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
John Smith <JS****@mail.ne twrites:
Kenny McCormack wrote:
[snip]
>
Kenny, what do *you* do when you're not reading c.l.c. ?
Please don't feed the troll.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <* <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
Ivar Rosquist wrote:
I agree with your views on this. What I don't like are the self-
appointed network policemen, whose kneejerk reaction is just to
condemn top posting, without qualifications, as though top-posting
were something intrinsically evil.
As one of the frequent "netcops" here, I say to you, "tough". The
quicker peoople learn the correct way to post (and in my view
top-posting is NEVER correct) the better.
As such, I've devised a standardized message that I post whenever I see
an instance of top-posting that hasn't already been addressed. If I
have no other comment on the post, I add the string "- TPA" to the
subject, which allows regluars to filter these.
The message, which I think is succinct, informative, and polite is:
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html >
Brian
Keith Thompson <ks***@mib.orgw rites:
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.in validwrites:
>Kenneth Brody said:
<snip>
>>(Unfortunatel y, some people at work whom I can't simply ignore are
among those who "just don't get it". And their e-mail client doesn't
help matters by defaulting to "improperly quote everything and place
the cursor at the top".)
I used to think this was incorrect behaviour too, but I've heard an
intriguing counter-argument, to the effect that the entire article is
quoted because the client doesn't know what you want to quote - which
is surely fair enough - and then the cursor is placed at the top so
that you can proceed through the text from top to bottom, deciding at
each step what to snip and what to quote and reply to. That's certainly
a workable way to write a reply, and it can reasonably be said that
working that way round reduces the risk of accidental over-quoting. (It
is definitely the case that I sometimes over-quote in error, so I am
considering telling my client to place the cursor at the top of a
reply, at least on a trial basis.)
I just noticed that my own newsreader (Gnus) does exactly this: it
quotes the entire article and puts the cursor above the quoted text.
It also quotes the signature. (I'm sure it can be configured to do
anything I want.)
This is interesting: http://www.neilvandyke.org/sigbegone/
and, more importantly in your .gnus.el :
;; when replying we dont want to include peoples signatures.
(setq message-cite-function 'message-cite-original-without-signature)
"Default User" <de***********@ yahoo.comwrites :
Ivar Rosquist wrote:
>I agree with your views on this. What I don't like are the self-
appointed network policemen, whose kneejerk reaction is just to
condemn top posting, without qualifications, as though top-posting
were something intrinsically evil.
As one of the frequent "netcops" here, I say to you, "tough". The
quicker peoople learn the correct way to post (and in my view
top-posting is NEVER correct) the better.
People care about general opinion . And with a little gentle prompting
people do pick up the group methods. You are not a group appointed guard
against evil top posters.
>
As such, I've devised a standardized message that I post whenever I see
an instance of top-posting that hasn't already been addressed. If I
have no other comment on the post, I add the string "- TPA" to the
subject, which allows regluars to filter these.
That's big and clever of you. Maybe you could advise all the other
netcops to do the same otherwise it's a bit of a waste of time don't you
think?
>
The message, which I think is succinct, informative, and polite is:
Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
newsgroup, or:
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html >
Or you could ignore the post and ONLY when you reply with some
**pertinent** answer to the OP's question could you possibly suggest not
top posting. Gratuitous replies containing ONLY netcop blather are a
waste of everyones time.
Richard <rg****@gmail.c omwrites:
Keith Thompson <ks***@mib.orgw rites:
[...]
>I just noticed that my own newsreader (Gnus) does exactly this: it
quotes the entire article and puts the cursor above the quoted text.
It also quotes the signature. (I'm sure it can be configured to do
anything I want.)
This is interesting:
http://www.neilvandyke.org/sigbegone/
and, more importantly in your .gnus.el :
;; when replying we dont want to include peoples signatures.
(setq message-cite-function 'message-cite-original-without-signature)
Thanks, but I'm not going to bother. I almost always delete part of
the previous message anyway; deleting the signature as well isn't a
burden. And it would make it more difficult in those rare cases where
I actually do want to comment on something in the signature.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) ks***@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <* <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:17:44 -0400, "Chris Saunders"
<ev**@mountainc able.netwrote:
>I'm top-posting, but not being thoughtless in my own opinion. However, I
consider the advise given below to be good advice except for the part about
replying below. If following a thread, I find top-posted or interspersed
responses much preferable. My 2 pennies worth.
I think, for most people here, "Don't top-post" does *not* mean
"bottom-post." If you had interspersed your reply, as most recommend,
you might have discovered that Richard was saying that, in his second
paragraph. In addition, neither you nor I would be confused about your
reference to "the part about replying below." I've left Richard's
message so that you can easily contemplate where your comments should
have gone.
>
Regards
Chris Saunders
>No, not really. It is *thoughtlessnes s* that is to be avoided at all
costs.
Organising an article takes a little thought. If you have something to
say that is not part of a direct reply to something another person has
written, whether you place it at the top or the bottom of your article
is really a matter of common sense. It might be more helpful to your
readers to read it first (before your point-by-point reply), or
afterwards (i.e. after the point-by-point).
But a reply that addresses a particular piece of text should quote that
piece of text and follow the quotation. Any piece of text not being
addressed should be replaced by <snipmarks.
If the whole of the reply is addressed to the text as a whole rather
than to a particular part of it, then the whole text should be removed,
and a short, fair summary of it placed at the top of the article, with
the reply underneath it.
<snip>
--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
--
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