hello,
would any kind soul explain what is top posting, since i dont have www
access. to reply to a post, i open it in the outlook express and click
reply group and that's all. what the top posting all about..?
Kind Regards,
Ravishankar
Aug 13 '07
48  1769 
Ravishankar S wrote:
"Jens Thoms Toerring" <jt@toerring.de wrote in message
news:5i******** *****@mid.uni-berlin.de...
>>Ravishankar S <s.***********@ de.bosch.comwro te:
>>>would any kind soul explain what is top posting
....
>>It would be top-posting if I would put my answer above your question
instead of below it. See also for example
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
....
- Thanks Jens. Quite simple ha ! In other news groups, they didnt bother
about the way I posted..!
I suspect that the reason is three-fold:
1. This, and several other technically-oriented groups have a tradition
going back to the early days of Usenet in which people were much more
concerned over bandwidth and made a conscious effort to conserve it.
2. Techies pay more attention to this sort of detail than others.
3. It has become sort of a not-so-secret handshake which identifies
those who know the etiquette.
I find it maddening to read digested mail lists on other topics in which
someone replies, with the entire article to which they are replying at
the bottom, then someone replies, in similar manner, to that message,
etc. The result is that the messages get longer and longer while the
original post is repeated _ad nauseum_, significantly making it harder
to find original content.
Welcome to comp.lang.c.
--
Thad
Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <f9**********@n ews4.fe.interne t.bosch.com>,
Ravishankar S <s.***********@ de.bosch.comwro te:
...
>>- Thanks Jens. Quite simple ha ! In other news groups, they didnt bother
about the way I posted..!
The participants in other newsgroups have these things called "lives".
Kenny, what do *you* do when you're not reading c.l.c. ?
JS
Ivar Rosquist <IR*******@irq. orgwrites:
I agree with your views on this. What I don't like are the self-
appointed network policemen, whose kneejerk reaction is just to condemn
top posting, without qualifications, as though top-posting were something
intrinsically evil.
Personally I find it best to ignore all but the worst repeat offenders
of top posting as most people pick it up as they go along and learn by
example and reading repeated juvenile attacks on top posters is, simply,
boring to the extreme.
Richard wrote:
>
Ivar Rosquist <IR*******@irq. orgwrites:
I agree with your views on this. What I don't like are the self-
appointed network policemen, whose kneejerk reaction is just to condemn
top posting, without qualifications, as though top-posting were something
intrinsically evil.
Personally I find it best to ignore all but the worst repeat offenders
of top posting as most people pick it up as they go along and learn by
example and reading repeated juvenile attacks on top posters is, simply,
boring to the extreme.
I sometimes "fix" short top-posted messages in my reply, prefacing my
reply with "top-posting corrected", or "top-posting corrected again".
If I reach "top-posting corrected again again", I'm not likely to
reply any further as they're obviously just not getting it.
(Unfortunately, some people at work whom I can't simply ignore are
among those who "just don't get it". And their e-mail client doesn't
help matters by defaulting to "improperly quote everything and place
the cursor at the top".)
<mode tongue="in cheek">
I think the e-mail client is written in C. Doesn't that mean that
this is on-topic?
</mode>
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Thad Smith wrote:
[...]
I find it maddening to read digested mail lists on other topics in which
someone replies, with the entire article to which they are replying at
the bottom, then someone replies, in similar manner, to that message,
etc. The result is that the messages get longer and longer while the
original post is repeated _ad nauseum_, significantly making it harder
to find original content.
What's worse are those who use the unmarked-quoting programs (you
know the ones -- they don't use ">" or any other marker, the just
put something like "--- original message --" at the top) and then
inline post. There is nothing to distinguish the quoted text and
the new text. (Don't tell me it doesn't happen. I've seen it way
too often.)
Welcome to comp.lang.c.
If you think clc is pedantic, you should try alt.sysadmin.re covery
if you think you have a thick enough skin.
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Kenneth Brody said:
<snip>
(Unfortunately, some people at work whom I can't simply ignore are
among those who "just don't get it". And their e-mail client doesn't
help matters by defaulting to "improperly quote everything and place
the cursor at the top".)
I used to think this was incorrect behaviour too, but I've heard an
intriguing counter-argument, to the effect that the entire article is
quoted because the client doesn't know what you want to quote - which
is surely fair enough - and then the cursor is placed at the top so
that you can proceed through the text from top to bottom, deciding at
each step what to snip and what to quote and reply to. That's certainly
a workable way to write a reply, and it can reasonably be said that
working that way round reduces the risk of accidental over-quoting. (It
is definitely the case that I sometimes over-quote in error, so I am
considering telling my client to place the cursor at the top of a
reply, at least on a trial basis.)
--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
Email: -www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Richard Heathfield wrote, On 13/08/07 17:51:
Kenneth Brody said:
<snip>
>(Unfortunately , some people at work whom I can't simply ignore are
among those who "just don't get it". And their e-mail client doesn't
help matters by defaulting to "improperly quote everything and place
the cursor at the top".)
I used to think this was incorrect behaviour too, but I've heard an
intriguing counter-argument, to the effect that the entire article is
quoted because the client doesn't know what you want to quote - which
is surely fair enough - and then the cursor is placed at the top so
that you can proceed through the text from top to bottom, deciding at
each step what to snip and what to quote and reply to. That's certainly
a workable way to write a reply,
Agreed. However, at least one program that does this puts a couple of
blank lines at the top suggesting to people that is where the text
should go and, if you have a sig set up puts *that* just above the
quoted material just to make sure you get it wrong.
and it can reasonably be said that
working that way round reduces the risk of accidental over-quoting. (It
is definitely the case that I sometimes over-quote in error, so I am
considering telling my client to place the cursor at the top of a
reply, at least on a trial basis.)
It takes me so little time to get to either top or bottom of a post in
the editor that it does not bother me where the cursor starts.
--
Flash Gordon
I'm top-posting, but not being thoughtless in my own opinion. However, I
consider the advise given below to be good advice except for the part about
replying below. If following a thread, I find top-posted or interspersed
responses much preferable. My 2 pennies worth.
Regards
Chris Saunders
No, not really. It is *thoughtlessnes s* that is to be avoided at all
costs.
Organising an article takes a little thought. If you have something to
say that is not part of a direct reply to something another person has
written, whether you place it at the top or the bottom of your article
is really a matter of common sense. It might be more helpful to your
readers to read it first (before your point-by-point reply), or
afterwards (i.e. after the point-by-point).
But a reply that addresses a particular piece of text should quote that
piece of text and follow the quotation. Any piece of text not being
addressed should be replaced by <snipmarks.
If the whole of the reply is addressed to the text as a whole rather
than to a particular part of it, then the whole text should be removed,
and a short, fair summary of it placed at the top of the article, with
the reply underneath it.
<snip>
--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
In article <fl************ @homelinux.net> , Richard <rg****@gmail.c omwrote:
>Ivar Rosquist <IR*******@irq. orgwrites:
> I agree with your views on this. What I don't like are the self-
appointed network policemen, whose kneejerk reaction is just to condemn
top posting, without qualifications, as though top-posting were something
intrinsicall y evil.
Personally I find it best to ignore all but the worst repeat offenders
of top posting as most people pick it up as they go along and learn by
example and reading repeated juvenile attacks on top posters is, simply,
boring to the extreme.
Of *course* it is boring, but that is what we do here. It is what we do.
Think of poor, misguided Default Loser. If it weren't for top posters,
he'd have no life at all. You wouldn't want to be responsibe for that,
would you?
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:53:28 +0200, in comp.lang.c , "Ravishanka r S"
<s.***********@ de.bosch.comwro te:
> Regards, Jens
--
\ Jens Thoms Toerring ___ jt@toerring.de
\______________ ____________ http://toerring.de
- Thanks Jens. Quite simple ha ! In other news groups, they didnt bother
about the way I posted..!
The other thing you should do is to remove "signatures " - thats
anything after the "-- " above. Your newsreader should do that
automatically, if not - you need to change newsreaders!
>
--
Mark McIntyre
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
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