asking about good books

[I_got_questions?]

I just started c programming. I want to migrate to c++. I know a little
bit about class/inheritance.
I am asking for good books to read. Elementary will be good.

Thanks for any comments

[Ben Pope]

I_got_questions ? wrote:

I just started c programming. I want to migrate to c++. I know a little
bit about class/inheritance.
I am asking for good books to read. Elementary will be good.

"Accelerate d C++" by Koenig & Moo.

Resist the temptation to code C++ like it's C, you'll lose a lot of it's
power. Reading that book will get you from "Hello World" to solving
problems which are much more interesting, and very little of it, if any,
looks like C.

Ben Pope
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

[Russell Wood]

On 2006-01-09, I_got_questions ? <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote:

I just started c programming. I want to migrate to c++. I know a little
bit about class/inheritance.
I am asking for good books to read. Elementary will be good.

The two C++ books I own and constantly referencing are:

The C++ Programming Language 3rd Ed.: Bjarne Stroustrup
The C++ Standard Library: Nicolai M. Josuttis

They are really very handy.

- Russell

[Mike Wahler]

"I_got_question s?" <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g47g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

I just started c programming. I want to migrate to c++.
First some speculation about your motives, and some
corresponding remarks:

Does this mean you're abandoning learning C and want
to learn C++ first or instead? If so, fine. If you're wanting
to learn both simultaneously, I strongly recommend against it,
as the very similar syntax, but often very different semantics,
will probably cause confusion with both languages.

If you're wanting to use C++ knowledge as an 'extension'
to your C knowledge, This is a mistake. C and C++ are two
separate, distinct langauges.
I know a little
bit about class/inheritance.
I am asking for good books to read. Elementary will be good.

Thanks for any comments

Visit www.accu.org, look at the book review section,
category 'beginner's C++'.

My personal recommendation for you would be:
www.acceleratedcpp.com

-Mike

[I_got_questions?]

Mike Wahler wrote:

"I_got_question s?" <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g47g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

I just started c programming. I want to migrate to c++.

First some speculation about your motives, and some
corresponding remarks:

Does this mean you're abandoning learning C and want
to learn C++ first or instead? If so, fine. If you're wanting
to learn both simultaneously, I strongly recommend against it,
as the very similar syntax, but often very different semantics,
will probably cause confusion with both languages.

If you're wanting to use C++ knowledge as an 'extension'
to your C knowledge, This is a mistake. C and C++ are two
separate, distinct langauges.

Thank you all for the suggestions. It is very helpful.
I perhaps should know more about C programming before I move to C++.

[Alex Beluga]

I'd recommend two books:
1) Deitel "Programmin g in C++"
If thats too easy, try abovementioned Stroustrup "The C++ Language",

[Mike Wahler]

"I_got_question s?" <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 47g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...

Mike Wahler wrote:

"I_got_question s?" <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g47g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

>I just started c programming. I want to migrate to c++.

First some speculation about your motives, and some
corresponding remarks:

Does this mean you're abandoning learning C and want
to learn C++ first or instead? If so, fine. If you're wanting
to learn both simultaneously, I strongly recommend against it,
as the very similar syntax, but often very different semantics,
will probably cause confusion with both languages.

If you're wanting to use C++ knowledge as an 'extension'
to your C knowledge, This is a mistake. C and C++ are two
separate, distinct langauges.

Thank you all for the suggestions. It is very helpful.
I perhaps should know more about C programming before I move to C++.

No. This is a very common misconception. No knowledge
of one langauge is necessary in order to learn the other.
(As a matter of fact it can sometimes be a hindrance).
See this excerpt from the FAQ for 'alt.comp.lang. learn.c-c++'
(the 'learner's group): http://ma.rtij.nl/acllc-c++.FAQ.html#q2.3
Also see:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-28.2
and:
http://public.research.att.com/~bs/learn.html

If you want to learn C, learn C.
If you want to learn C++, learn C++.
If you want to learn both, learn both. Either one first.
But trying to learn both simultaneously is imo a recipe
for insanity. :-)

Informational: C++ (especially its standard library) has
features that can protect you from many of the common
errors that are easy to make and hard to find in C.
If you read a C++ book like "Accelerate d C++", imo as
a beginner you'll much more quickly write more useful
programs with less bugs than with C and a beginner's
C text.

-Mike

[Ben Pope]

Mike Wahler wrote:

"I_got_question s?" <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 47g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...

No. This is a very common misconception. No knowledge
of one langauge is necessary in order to learn the other.
(As a matter of fact it can sometimes be a hindrance).
See this excerpt from the FAQ for 'alt.comp.lang. learn.c-c++'
(the 'learner's group): http://ma.rtij.nl/acllc-c++.FAQ.html#q2.3
Also see:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-28.2
and:
http://public.research.att.com/~bs/learn.html

If you want to learn C, learn C.
If you want to learn C++, learn C++.
If you want to learn both, learn both. Either one first.
But trying to learn both simultaneously is imo a recipe
for insanity. :-)

Informational: C++ (especially its standard library) has
features that can protect you from many of the common
errors that are easy to make and hard to find in C.
If you read a C++ book like "Accelerate d C++", imo as
a beginner you'll much more quickly write more useful
programs with less bugs than with C and a beginner's
C text.

What he said.

Ben Pope
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

[Randy Yates]

"Mike Wahler" <mk******@mkwah ler.net> writes:

[...]
"I_got_question s?" <un************ @hotmail.com> wrote in message

Thank you all for the suggestions. It is very helpful.
I perhaps should know more about C programming before I move to C++.

No. This is a very common misconception. No knowledge
of one langauge is necessary in order to learn the other.
(As a matter of fact it can sometimes be a hindrance).

Strange that anyone would say this, since the overlap between the two
is large.

I don't think it's "necessary" to learn C first, but it would probably
be optimum, since, for the most part, C is a subset of C++, and
new concepts are usually better-learned in smaller chunks rather
than larger chunks.

But far be it from me to contradict "the experts..."
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[Jerry Coffin]

Randy Yates wrote:

[ ... ]

No. This is a very common misconception. No knowledge
of one langauge is necessary in order to learn the other.
(As a matter of fact it can sometimes be a hindrance).
Strange that anyone would say this, since the overlap between the two
is large.

Yes and no -- the overlap between the languages proper is quite large,
but the overlap between the parts a beginner wants/needs to learn first
are substantially smaller.
I don't think it's "necessary" to learn C first, but it would probably
be optimum, since, for the most part, C is a subset of C++, and
new concepts are usually better-learned in smaller chunks rather
than larger chunks.

IMO, it's far from optimum. The problem is simple. what you learn at
the very first with both languages (e.g. x=y+z;) is identical. Almost
as soon as you move much beyond that, you have to learn _more_ with C
than with C++ to really do much. E.g. to write even a trivial program
to read in a text file, sort the lines, and print them back out, is
considerably more work to do at all well with C than with C++.

--
Later,
Jerry.