text-align in ul

[A.Translator]

I am still struggling with an unordered list
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~hogen/TaalVlinder/).

The top navbar contains 4 divs with each an ul,
and no padding or margins.

But I get far too much white to the left and right of the lists, especially
noticeble in the two right hand menu's 'flora & fauna' and afkortingen
etc.'

I tried to solve the problem by setting text-align:left on the list, but
that does not seem to have any effect, not when set on the li, nor when
applied to the ul as a whole, nor to both.

Any idea where I go wrong?
Could it have to do with the width of the divs containing the menu's being
set in html rather than with css? I have tried fiddling with that, but got
nowhere.

Your help will be most welcome.

--
Groet, Adriana.
[throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[oOze]

Brian <us*****@juliet remblay.com.inv alid-remove-this-part> wrote in message news:<JqfUb.931 20$U%5.473731@a ttbi_s03>...

oOze wrote:

Also, some Scottish dialects have a lot in common with several
western Flemish dialects, remnants of the ancient Flemish/British
Isles wooltrade.
That's surprising, given that Gaelic is a Celtic language.

Belgium is not only Gaelic, it's also Celtic....

Olde English (--before the French invasion of your language--)
borrows a lot particularly from Olde Flemish

Well, to be precise, Old English, aka Anglo-Saxon, is a low Germanic
language.

You misinderstood me, I'm referring to the direct influence on local
dialects by Flemish weavers settling in Britian during medieval times.
They're all Low-germanic languages, but that was not what I was
getting at.

[Traveller ®]

snip...

If history went a little different, we would have a common (West)
Germanic language, which would probably be more similar to Dutch
and Low Saxon than to English or German.

You've lost me, I'm afraid. You mean there would be a West Germanic
language instead of Dutch/Flemish/English/German?

no, there are Dutch, English and German. Flemish is considered to be
a dialect of Nederlands.

If it went even a little more different, that would include Romance
ones.

Damn Normans! ;-)

(Flemish, if I understand correctly, is a dialect of Dutch.

correct, but they (the Belgians) consider it a language :-)

de groeten,

martin

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[Johannes Koch]

Matt wrote:

My German teacher said (about 5 years ago) that there were plans to
replace ß with ss in German for the millenium
Not every ß is replaced by ss, although people think so. After the last
"Rechtschreibre form", ß following a short vowel was changed to ss.
because of the problems it
caused with computers, keyboards, non-germans trying to write it, etc.

The purpose was to make it more logical :-)

--
Johannes Koch
In te domine speravi; non confundar in aeternum.
(Te Deum, 4th cent.)

[Christoph Paeper]

*Brian*:

Christoph Paeper wrote:

If history went a little different, we would have a common (West)
I forgot to include a "maybe" somewhere in here.
Germanic language, which would probably be more similar to Dutch
and Low Saxon than to English or German.

You've lost me, I'm afraid. You mean there would be a West Germanic
language instead of Dutch/Flemish/English/German?

At least. Actually European history had so many turning points, we could as
well have ended up all speaking something French-like, instead the European
Union has currently eleven official languages[1], a number of minority
languages[2] (not counting those of immigrants) and will grow by nine major
ones[3], mostly Slavic, in a few months.
If you look at other regions of similar size, there are far less separate
languages, although they often have a great variety of unintelligible
dialects.
It's fascinating and annoying at the same time.

[1a] Swedish, Dansk, German, Dutch, English, French, Italian, Spanish,
Portuguese, Greek, Finnish. Many documents and conversations have to be
translated into all of them.
[1b] The USA have zero (common) official languages, China one, Switzerland
four, the UN six, India 2-18.
[2] I could write to any institution of the EU in Low Saxon, Basque or Scots
Gælic (if I spoke any of them fluently) and would get a fully qualified
answer in the same language.
[3] Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian,
Hungarian, Maltese.

P.S.: It seems as if Flemish is closer to Dutch than I thought.

--
Useless Fact #7:
It cost 7 million dollars to build the Titantic and 200 million to make a movie
about it!

[Christoph Paeper]

*Matt*:

My German teacher said (about 5 years ago) that there were plans to
replace ß with ss in German for the millenium
We had a (not very popular) reform of orthography starting in 1996, which
among other things changed the rules for 'Esszet' (sharp s, ß), leading to
way fewer occurrences of it. In Switzerland (and Liechtenstein) it had
already been abandoned before and Swiss keyboards don't have it to have more
space for French diacritics (they lack the uppercase variants of these and
umlauts, too).

OTOH we are still waiting for an uppercase variant of that letter (no words
start with it). I think it'll rather extinct than get an accepted big
brother. To be a little on topic: AFAIK no browser gets it right with
"text-transform: uppercase".
because of the problems it caused with computers,
All special chars required for German (Ä, Ö, Ü, ä, ö, ü, ß; ignoring French
lean words) are in all 'Latin' variants of the ISO-8859 family of charsets
and always at the same positions.

The only recent problems I encountered were with headers of Usenet messages,
that's why I'm posting /here/ with transcribed name, while in de.ALL most
can deal with Quoted Printable. Today my credit card is the only
archaic^Wintern ationalised one, IIRC my first eurocheque card was too.
keyboards,
That's (only) a problem outside of Germany and Austria. There are acceptable
solutions for people who need it on a regular base, though (which for some
reason doesn't include hotel receptions and the like).
non-germans trying to write it,

Yes, I've seen quite some addresses on letters, where ß is frequent because
of 'Straße' ('street'), in which it was written as 'B', Greek lowercase
Beta, or even '3'.
I rather see those amateurish workarounds than my name missing the dots of
the 'ä' and the resulting 'a' not being followed by the then required 'e'
(in difference to Scandinavian ä).

--
"A good listener is not only popular everywhere,
but after a while he gets to know something."
Wilson Mizner

[A.Translator]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:33:21 +0100, Christoph Paeper wrote:

P.S.: It seems as if Flemish is closer to Dutch than I thought.

I had no idea that my remark would be the start of an interesting thread!
The subject used to be very sensitive, but is less and less of an issue.
"Flemish" as such does not exist, unless you mean the collection of
dialects that is spoken in he Dutch-speaking part of Belgium. Regional
differences can be enormous, but some Flemish-speakers sound very much
like their neighbours across the Dutch border. Belgium has two official
languages Dutch (not Flemish) and French, but you should hear for instance
the Belgian king's attempts to speak Dutch...

Anyroad (as they say in parts of the UK...), this discussion shows two
things: more people read sig's than you think, and I need not bother to
Anglicize mine!

--
Groet, Adriana. [throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[Eric Bohlman]

Christoph Paeper <ch************ **@nurfuerspam. de> wrote in
news:bv******** **@ariadne.rz.t u-clausthal.de:

Useless Fact #7:
It cost 7 million dollars to build the Titantic and 200 million to make a
movie about it!

<spoilsport>I don't think the author of that factoid is taking inflation
into account. 7 million when the ship was built would have been worth
about 115 million by the time the movie was made.</spoilsport>

[Alan Edgey]

Christoph Paeper <ch************ **@nurfuerspam. de> wrote in message news:<bv******* ***@ariadne.rz. tu-clausthal.de>.. .
<snip>

If you look at other regions of similar size, there are far less separate
languages, although they often have a great variety of unintelligible
dialects.
"unintellig ible dialects" Surely someone understands them otherwise
they wouldn't use them.

<snip>
[2] I could write to any institution of the EU in Low Saxon, Basque or Scots
Gælic (if I spoke any of them fluently) and would get a fully qualified
answer in the same language.

Has anyone tried this?

Alan

[jake]

In message <bv**********@a riadne.rz.tu-clausthal.de>, Christoph Paeper
<ch************ **@nurfuerspam. de> writes

*Brian*:

Christoph Paeper wrote:

If history went a little different, we would have a common (West)
I forgot to include a "maybe" somewhere in here.
Germanic language, which would probably be more similar to Dutch
and Low Saxon than to English or German.

You've lost me, I'm afraid. You mean there would be a West Germanic
language instead of Dutch/Flemish/English/German?

At least. Actually European history had so many turning points, we could as
well have ended up all speaking something French-like, instead the European
Union has currently eleven official languages[1], a number of minority
languages[2] (not counting those of immigrants) and will grow by nine major
ones[3], mostly Slavic, in a few months.

[snip]

That's interesting. Does that mean that the EU will have to able to
accommodate (in theory) 190 translators -- if I've done my maths
correctly -- for all major meetings ;-)

regards.
--
Jake