Hi there,
I have this web site ( www.DrTube.com) which has the following DTD:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
which switches Mozilla to standards compliance mode as I can confirm
myself. How can I check whether IE6 and Opera do so too?
TIA
Regards
Xavier van Unen.
Jul 20 '05
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Martin Honnen wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
I recommend just using XHTML 1.0 Strict, and it will always be in
standard's compliant mode for every browser.
Why is that? IE5 and IE5.5 for instance on Windows do not even have a
standards compliant mode and while IE6 has one it suffices to serve an
XHTML document with an XML declaration (e.g <?xml version="1.0"
encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>) to have IE6 in quirks mode.
My mistake, I neglected to write ...for every *modern* browser above.
IE 5 and 5.5 are obsolete, and IE 6 isn't far off. I'm well aware
that IE6 doesn't actually have any mode that could be considered
standards compliant — it simply has quirks, and *more quirks* mode. The
only thing keeping it alive is because it comes with the operating
system, and the average user around the world wouldn't have a clue about
how to install another; (or when it comes to system administrators,
they're too lazy and incompetent to know any better, and that they
should remove all traces of IE from their network.)
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Lachlan Hunt wrote: I didn't mean what's the point of validating, since all documents
should be valid. I meant what's the point of modifying the HTML 4
DTD just to get warnings about unclosed non-empty elements, when using
XHTML will already do that, and more.
Okay, I'll bite. What's the "and more"? By definition XHTML(tm) cannot
possibly do anything more than HTML can do. The sole reason for the
whole XHTML(tm) exercise was to strengthen W3C's commercial position
by replacing the term HTML with one which the W3C could assert was a
trademark.
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Martin Honnen wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
I recommend just using XHTML 1.0 Strict, and it will always be in
standard's compliant mode for every browser.
Why is that? IE5 and IE5.5 for instance on Windows do not even have a
standards compliant mode and while IE6 has one it suffices to serve an
XHTML document with an XML declaration (e.g <?xml version="1.0"
encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>) to have IE6 in quirks mode.
My mistake, I neglected to write ...for every *modern* browser above.
Sounds like: "When the P.M. said, 'By 1990, no Australian child will
live in poverty,' what he clearly meant was, 'No Australian child will
*need to* live in poverty.'"
It's okay, since no-one *needs* to use the obsolete IE5, your
statement was not in error. You're in good (neglectful) company.
IE 5 and 5.5 are obsolete, and IE 6 isn't far off. I'm well aware
that IE6 doesn't actually have any mode that could be considered
standards compliant — it simply has quirks, and *more quirks* mode. The
only thing keeping it alive is because it comes with the operating
system, and the average user around the world wouldn't have a clue about
how to install another;
Those pesky average users again. What is keeping IE alive is its
superior features for use with non-latin scripts (as used by most of
the world's people). Still, the reality is there is no reason for any
English speaking person to ever use IE.
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Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: I didn't mean what's the point of validating, since all documents
should be valid. I meant what's the point of modifying the HTML 4
DTD just to get warnings about unclosed non-empty elements, when using
XHTML will already do that, and more.
Okay, I'll bite. What's the "and more"? By definition XHTML(tm) cannot
possibly do anything more than HTML can do.
I thought I made myself clear with what I wrote above, but anyway,
That's right, XHTML can't do more than HTML with regard to structure or
semantics, however I meant that XHTML imposes the additional rules of
XML which HTML doesn't. For example, ensuring every attribute value is
quoted; an xmlns must be specified; there are no optional tags [1] (eg.
<head> and <body> cannot be omitted, as they could in HTML), etc...
(read the XML and XHTML recommendations for more).
The sole reason for the whole XHTML(tm) exercise was to strengthen W3C's commercial position
by replacing the term HTML with one which the W3C could assert was a
trademark.
The reason for migrating to XHTML had nothing to do with marketing to
improve W3C's commercial position, it had to do with making a markup
language that was compatible with existing and future XML user agents,
as well as being backwards compatible with existing HTML UAs. XHTML2,
on the other hand, will *not* be backwards compatible with existing HTML
UAs, however it will be completely compatible with XML UAs.
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2004, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote: Those pesky average users again. What is keeping IE alive is its
superior features for use with non-latin scripts
Could you be more specific? Mozilla is objectively better in the tests
that I am aware of.
On 3 Jun 2004, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote: Those pesky average users again. What is keeping IE alive is its
superior features for use with non-latin scripts (as used by most of
the world's people). Still, the reality is there is no reason for any
English speaking person to ever use IE.
Even the latest MS Windows versions (XP, 2003) with _default_ setup
for Internet Explorer fail to display the special Urdu letters in
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/arabic.html6>
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/arabic.win>
although support for Urdu was introduced with Windows 2000.
Internet Explorer requires special markup to display extended
Arabic characters:
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/pashto-alphabet.html>
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/sindhi-alphabet.html>
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/urdu-alphabet.html>
Without this markup, IE6 is clueless.
Likewise, IE6 in this default setup fails to display *most* symbols
from <http://ppewww.ph.gla.a c.uk/~flavell/unicode/unidata21.html>
Mozilla/Netscape on the other hand works fine!
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Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
[snip] Those pesky average users again. What is keeping IE alive is its
superior features for use with non-latin scripts (as used by most of
the world's people). Still, the reality is there is no reason for any
English speaking person to ever use IE.
Please excuse my ignorance, but what are those superior features?
= Eric
Keith Bowes wrote:
.... Try entering javascript:aler t(document.comp atMode) in the URL area.
You should get CSS1Compat if it's in standards mode, or BackCompat if in
quirks.
Big fun.
Try http://meeuw.zeepost.nl/ie_quirks.htm
Standards compliant mode in NN7, showing "BackCompat " in IE6.
It is a XHTML 1.1 document validating just OK with W3C by the way.
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JotM <me************ *******@planet. nl> wrote: Keith Bowes wrote:
Try entering javascript:aler t(document.comp atMode) in the URL area.
You should get CSS1Compat if it's in standards mode, or BackCompat if in
quirks.
Big fun.
Try http://meeuw.zeepost.nl/ie_quirks.htm
Standards compliant mode in NN7, showing "BackCompat " in IE6.
Of course, well known bug in IE - it only looks for the doctype on teh
first non-blank line of the code, so the XML declaration automatically
pushes it into quirks mode.
It is a XHTML 1.1 document validating just OK with W3C by the way.
Except that you've served it as text/html ...
Steve
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Steve Pugh wrote:
.... It is a XHTML 1.1 document validating just OK with W3C by the way.
Except that you've served it as text/html ...
Yup. But with a free dial-up account I can't really control the server
of my provider. I tried it with a meta header stating it should be <meta
http-equiv="content-type" content="applic ation/xml+xhtml; charset=utf-8"
/>. But as said, I can't control the type put into the http header served.
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