I'm in the process of redesigning my web page and started working more
with CSS. I have, what I think is, a nice web layout (I'm no expert so
I could be wrong). When I tested it with Konqueror and Firefox it
works well (a few minor problems) but when I test it with IE 6.0 it
doesn't display or it jumbles everything up. I've tried using various
examples (conditionals) to get around IE problems but they are causing
more problems that they fix. I'd love to drop IE all together but it's
around 33% of my traffic so probably not a good idea.
Can anyone point me to site that explain how to design around IE's
problems? I've googled but I seem to be getting dribs and drabs of
information.
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In article <sl************ ****@cookie.uuc p>,
Neil Cherry <nj*@cookie.uuc pwrote:
I'm in the process of redesigning my web page and started working more
with CSS. I have, what I think is, a nice web layout (I'm no expert so
I could be wrong). When I tested it with Konqueror and Firefox it
works well (a few minor problems) but when I test it with IE 6.0 it
doesn't display or it jumbles everything up. I've tried using various
examples (conditionals) to get around IE problems but they are causing
more problems that they fix. I'd love to drop IE all together but it's
around 33% of my traffic so probably not a good idea.
Can anyone point me to site that explain how to design around IE's
problems? I've googled but I seem to be getting dribs and drabs of
information.
First thing to do is to check your site for errors, there a few
in both css and html on the "main" site in your sig, look up in
validators. The other thing, do you need to use xhtml? Usually
best to keep to:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
There are a lot of problems with IE 6 and your best strategy is
to first get your code as kosher as possible. Beyond that, what
are the specific problems you have?
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:38:34 +1100, dorayme wrote:
In article <sl************ ****@cookie.uuc p>,
Neil Cherry <nj*@cookie.uuc pwrote:
>I'm in the process of redesigning my web page and started working more
with CSS. I have, what I think is, a nice web layout (I'm no expert so
I could be wrong). When I tested it with Konqueror and Firefox it
works well (a few minor problems) but when I test it with IE 6.0 it
doesn't display or it jumbles everything up. I've tried using various
examples (conditionals) to get around IE problems but they are causing
more problems that they fix. I'd love to drop IE all together but it's
around 33% of my traffic so probably not a good idea.
Can anyone point me to site that explain how to design around IE's
problems? I've googled but I seem to be getting dribs and drabs of
information.
First thing to do is to check your site for errors, there a few
in both css and html on the "main" site in your sig, look up in
validators. The other thing, do you need to use xhtml? Usually
best to keep to:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
This is a good suggestion, I'll fall back from XHTML 1.0 Transitional
to 4.01 strict and see if that loosens things up first and run my page
and the css through the appropriate tools to see how correct they
really are.
There are a lot of problems with IE 6 and your best strategy is
to first get your code as kosher as possible. Beyond that, what
are the specific problems you have?
I'll get back to you as soon as I've checked the code (in a day or
two).
Thanks!
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Neil Cherry wrote:
>
Can anyone point me to site that explain how to design around IE's
problems?
IE6 has many CSS troubles. The best way to avoid them is to start with
clean, semantic markup - HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended. And Keep It
Simple, especially if you are not very fluent in CSS. You can gradually
move to more complex designs as your skill level increases. Just don't
try to bite off more than you can chew - you'll only end up with a mess,
probably in all browsers not just IE.
Understanding how the various positioning methods and the box model are
*supposed* to work goes a long way to avoiding problems in general, so
please learn these first. The specs are at http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html
IE's quirks are triggered by a variety of conditions so you have to take
them individually when figuring out a resolution. The 2 best sources for
identifying the cause and work-around(s) are http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/index.html
quirksmode.org lists bugs for all browsers and has JavaScript and HTML
bugs in there as well. There is a section devoted to IE 5-6. Thankfully,
the worst IE6 bugs have been corrected in IE7, but that doesn't mean IE7
is bug-free. No browser is bug-free, of course.
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Berg
I want to thank everyone for their help. I haven't figured out why
things aren't working with IE but are with Firefox but I have learned
that that inheritance is important. I've found that if I take
something that works (blocks of text and images, centered) and just
add it into an existing page they no longer work. I'm going to fall
back to solving the block centering problem first, then the page
layout with fixed divs (header, content and footer) and scroll bars
then the drop down menu issues.
I'm amazed at how many folks give examples of 'howto' and those
examples fail on a basic web page (inheritance from their style sheet
that they fail to mention). As with anything there is useful and
useless information on the web. I am thankful for the folks in this
newsgroup who help separate the wheat from the chaff. :-)
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Yes, I know one post followed up by another post followed up by yet
another, bad form! Anyway, I found the source of most of my
problems. I have a tendency to add the following line to the start of
my html files:
<!-- -*- mode: html; mode: auto-fill; -*- -->
This tells my editor to drop into a specific mode that I like to
use. I minimized my files down to the minimal html and css to perform
the task I couldn't get to work and found that 2 nearly identical
files behaved differently! When I removed the line above (it was the
very first line in the html file) both behaved identically. The file
verifies with the above line in it so I thought it was acceptable.
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Neil Cherry <nj*@cookie.uuc pwrites:
Yes, I know one post followed up by another post followed up by yet
another, bad form! Anyway, I found the source of most of my
problems. I have a tendency to add the following line to the start of
my html files:
<!-- -*- mode: html; mode: auto-fill; -*- -->
This tells my editor to drop into a specific mode that I like to
use. I minimized my files down to the minimal html and css to perform
the task I couldn't get to work and found that 2 nearly identical
files behaved differently! When I removed the line above (it was the
very first line in the html file) both behaved identically.
The absence of a DTD declaration on the first line of an HTML document will
trigger so-called "quirks mode" in many browsers. That results in different,
non-W3C layout rules being applied.
Have a look at <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/for more.
Emacs doesn't require your mode line to be at the very top. I use it all
the time with Perl scripts that begin with a #! line. So, you don't have
to remove that, just move it to below the DTD declaration.
sherm--
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Neil Cherry wrote:
>
<!-- -*- mode: html; mode: auto-fill; -*- -->
files behaved differently! When I removed the line above (it was the
very first line in the html file) both behaved identically.
IE6 requires the DOCTYPE in the first line or it triggers quirks mode.
The actual DOCTYPE in this case is ignored. google the archives for more
about quirks vs standards mode.
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Sherm Pendley <sp******@dot-app.orgwrote:
>The absence of a DTD declaration on the first line of an HTML document will
trigger so-called "quirks mode" in many browsers.
Quirks mode is triggered in IE and an old version of Opera when there is
non whitespace before the doctype. The doctype declaration does not have
to be on the first line, and afaik no other browsers are affected.
>That results in different, non-W3C layout rules being applied.
That is a rather meaningless statement.
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:38:04 -0500, Sherm Pendley wrote:
Neil Cherry <nj*@cookie.uuc pwrites:
>Yes, I know one post followed up by another post followed up by yet
another, bad form! Anyway, I found the source of most of my
problems. I have a tendency to add the following line to the start of
my html files:
<!-- -*- mode: html; mode: auto-fill; -*- -->
This tells my editor to drop into a specific mode that I like to
use. I minimized my files down to the minimal html and css to perform
the task I couldn't get to work and found that 2 nearly identical
files behaved differently! When I removed the line above (it was the
very first line in the html file) both behaved identically.
The absence of a DTD declaration on the first line of an HTML document will
trigger so-called "quirks mode" in many browsers. That results in different,
non-W3C layout rules being applied.
Have a look at <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/for more.
Emacs doesn't require your mode line to be at the very top. I use it all
the time with Perl scripts that begin with a #! line. So, you don't have
to remove that, just move it to below the DTD declaration.
Good I'll do that. Thanks, I'm now much happier with the way things
are working. Especially now that they're following the standards more
closely. I'm certain I have plenty of clean up to do on my various
pages. Some of which were written more than 10 years ago (~ html
3.2). I'm not really sure I'm any more knowledgeable today than I was
then.
Thanks!
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