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Is the Holy Grail legend true ?

Hi

Spent the past week looking at CSS renderings of "liquid" 3-column
pages (with both Header and Footer that can also grow).

On testing, none of them seem fully cross-browser campatible.

In almost all of them, the left column seems fixed.
Page doesn't grow when content added to header. When it does, the
header overlaps the top of the columns.

Does anyone have the secret ?
cheers


May 7 '07 #1
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BobTheBowler wrote:
Hi
Does anyone have the secret ?
The legend is true if you don't learn and apply the rules to the quest.
cheers
With which brand of beer?

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May 7 '07 #2
Gus Richter <gu********@net scape.netwrites :
BobTheBowler wrote:
>cheers

With which brand of beer?
Guinness of course! What else is there???

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May 7 '07 #3
On 2007-05-07, BobTheBowler <bo******@ntlwo rld.comwrote:
Hi

Spent the past week looking at CSS renderings of "liquid" 3-column
pages (with both Header and Footer that can also grow).

On testing, none of them seem fully cross-browser campatible.

In almost all of them, the left column seems fixed.
Page doesn't grow when content added to header. When it does, the
header overlaps the top of the columns.

Does anyone have the secret ?
I hate to be the one to piss on the bonfire, but use a table.
May 7 '07 #4
On Mon, 07 May 2007 03:22:52 -0500, Ben C <sp******@spam. eggswrote:
>I hate to be the one to piss on the bonfire, but use a table.
That's "piss on the grail-shaped beacon", surely?

Yes, use a <table>. This is how you cause HTML / CSS to render in a
grid-like manner, where the size of one element is related dynamically
to its sibing elements, not merely its content.
May 7 '07 #5
BobTheBowler wrote:
>
Spent the past week looking at CSS renderings of "liquid" 3-column
pages (with both Header and Footer that can also grow).

In almost all of them, the left column seems fixed.
Just because a template comes that way doesn't mean you can't change it
to be flexible. Switch those px units to em and see what happens.
Page doesn't grow when content added to header. When it does, the
header overlaps the top of the columns.
That can be a result of absolute positioning, not clearing floats or
other less than ideal design decisions.
Does anyone have the secret ?
Why don't you show us what you've got first? Post a URL.

--
Berg
May 7 '07 #6
On Mon, 07 May 2007 06:50:47 -0500, Bergamot <be******@visi. com>
wrote:
>Why don't you show us what you've got first? Post a URL.
Ok
original ...
http://www.probowluk.co.uk/3-Column,...S%20Layout.htm
my mod (using external .css file) ...
http://www.probowluk.co.uk/3-Column_Liquid_Layout.htm

Can anyone check out my website with browsers other than IE ?
http://www.ProBowlUK.co.uk
with FireFox, the homepage appears WITHOUT the top (CoolMenus)
layout. Subsequent pages show the Menu.
This is why I was trying out .css, rather than tables, to get
cross-browser compatibility.

May 7 '07 #7
BobTheBowler wrote:
Bergamot <be******@visi. comwrote:
>>Why don't you show us what you've got first? Post a URL.

Ok
original ...
http://www.probowluk.co.uk/3-Column,...S%20Layout.htm
my mod (using external .css file) ...
http://www.probowluk.co.uk/3-Column_Liquid_Layout.htm
Look here:
<http://validator.w3.or g/check?verbose=1 &uri=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.probowlu k.co.uk%2F3-Column%2C%2520L iquid%2C%2520CS S%2520Layout.ht m>

With so many errors, it is pointless to try to solve your currect
perceived problems.

First, switch your doctype to Strict. You are not "transition ing" from
anything.
Second, remove all the extraneous JavaScript and IE conditional
statements. Start with a bare page. With no errors in either the HTML or
the CSS.

Then we can discuss the Grail.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
May 7 '07 #8
>
First, switch your doctype to Strict. You are not "transition ing" from
anything.
Second, remove all the extraneous JavaScript and IE conditional
statements. Start with a bare page. With no errors in either the HTML or
the CSS.

Then we can discuss the Grail.

ok
here's another attempt I made ...
http://www.ProBowlUK.co.uk/HolyGrail.htm
looks ok at first, but Header does not move the columns down when
content added ...
http://www.ProBowlUK.co.uk/HolyGrail-2.htm
and this displays differently in IE and FireFox
May 7 '07 #9
BobTheBowler wrote:
>>First, switch your doctype to Strict. You are not "transition ing" from
anything.
Second, remove all the extraneous JavaScript and IE conditional
statements. Start with a bare page. With no errors in either the HTML or
the CSS.

Then we can discuss the Grail.

ok
here's another attempt I made ...
http://www.ProBowlUK.co.uk/HolyGrail.htm
You didn't do any of the stuff I suggested above.
looks ok at first, but Header does not move the columns down when
content added ...
...because you have explicitly set the height of the header to 75px. Use
px only for things like borders. Use em units for everything else.
http://www.ProBowlUK.co.uk/HolyGrail-2.htm
These new samples are still Transitional. Not Strict. Use this:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

You can then get rid of all those extraneous slashes at the end of
certain elements. <img ... />

There are errors in your CSS. For example:

Value Error : margin-left Parse Error -
document.all.ce ntercolumn.offs etWidth * -1 +
parseFloat(docu ment.all.center column.currentS tyle.paddingLef t) +
parseFloat(docu ment.all.leftco lumn.currentSty le.paddingLeft) +
parseFloat(docu ment.all.leftco lumn.currentSty le.paddingRight ))

Where did you get that?
and this displays differently in IE and FireFox
If you would remove all of the IE conditional comments (I see no need
for them at all for this simple layout), perhaps they will be more
similar. You are designing for the World Wide Web, not a particular
browser. There is also no need to concern yourself if different browsers
display slightly different. None of your visitors are going to be
checking your site with multiple browsers... 'cept us.

Study this template:
http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev.../3-column.html

Hopefully, that steel plate background is just a test...

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
May 7 '07 #10

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