I have the following document, at http://ataru.gomen.org/file/test.html:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Test</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>
<body>
<h1>Hello, world!</h1>
<iframe></iframe>
</body>
</html>
The whole point of <iframe> is to embed a frame in a page, is it not?
But this document is not 4.01 strict, nor is it 4.01 frameset. Can I
use an <object> to get exactly the same effect as the <iframe>, or
must I resign myself to having a non-conforming page?
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Spartanicus wrote: You forgot?
The specifics - yes.
And you base this "less well supported" claim on?
My experiences trying it a few years ago. I might have forgotten the
specifics, but I still remember the conclusion.
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David Dorward <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote: And you base this "less well supported" claim on?
My experiences trying it a few years ago. I might have forgotten the
specifics, but I still remember the conclusion.
Can you remember if you specified a width and height? This is a common
mistake that leads people to think that IE doesn't support it since it
collapses the element to 0 (whereas other UAs may default to a non zero
value).
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Spartanicus
In article <mp************ *************** *****@news.spar tanicus.utvinte rnet.ie>,
Spartanicus <me@privacy.net > writes: Can you remember if you specified a width and height?
Specifying width and height on an embedded text page (eg html) would of
course be totally bogus.
This is a common
mistake that leads people to think that IE doesn't support it since it
collapses the element to 0
That's a *critical* bug. Bottom line: IE screws up object except under
some very limited circumstances. Note screws up - simply not supporting
it would be fine if it showed the alternative content (like Lynx or
early Netscape).
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Nick's manifesto: http://www.htmlhelp.com/~nick/ ni**@hugin.webt hing.com (Nick Kew) wrote: Can you remember if you specified a width and height?
Specifying width and height on an embedded text page (eg html) would of
course be totally bogus.
A width and height must be specified as attributes to the object
element, not the embedded page. This is a common
mistake that leads people to think that IE doesn't support it since it
collapses the element to 0
That's a *critical* bug. Bottom line: IE screws up object except under
some very limited circumstances. Note screws up - simply not supporting
it would be fine if it showed the alternative content (like Lynx or
early Netscape).
Unlike for example images, replaced content such as HTML has no
intrinsic width and or height, so there's nothing incorrect about IE
collapsing an object element to 0 if no width & height are specified.
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Spartanicus
Nick Kew wrote: Bottom line: IE screws up object except under some very limited
circumstances.
IE's support for <object> ain't too bad. It's not great, but it does for
most purposes. The following certainly all work:
<object data="foo.html" height="150" width="300">
<a href="foo.html" >foo.html</a>
</object>
<object data="bar.jpeg" height="150" width="300">
<img src="bar.jpeg" alt="a bar" height="150" width="300">
</object>
<object data="quux.swf" height="150" width="300">
<img src="quux.gif" alt="Quux Corp" height="150" width="300">
</object>
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Toby Inkster <us**********@t obyinkster.co.u k> wrote: Bottom line: IE screws up object except under some very limited
circumstances.
IE's support for <object> ain't too bad. It's not great, but it does for
most purposes. The following certainly all work:
<object data="foo.html" height="150" width="300">
<a href="foo.html" >foo.html</a>
</object>
Work as in it displays the content, for the embedding to work it
requires the type attribute to be specified.
<object data="bar.jpeg" height="150" width="300">
<img src="bar.jpeg" alt="a bar" height="150" width="300">
</object>
Here again IE renders the content, and although optional, omitting the
type attribute forces other UAs to retrieve the data even if the content
type is not supported/enabled. Add the type attribute and IE screws up.
There's also the issue that the same image is not the textual
alternative to the image specified as data to the object element.
<object data="quux.swf" height="150" width="300">
<img src="quux.gif" alt="Quux Corp" height="150" width="300">
</object>
Again IE renders the content, the embedding doesn't work (type attribute
again).
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"Christophe r Benson-Manica" <at***@nospam.c yberspace.org> a écrit dans
le message de news:cj******** **@chessie.cirr .com I have the following document, at
http://ataru.gomen.org/file/test.html:
(...) The whole point of <iframe> is to embed a frame in a page, is it not?
But this document is not 4.01 strict, nor is it 4.01 frameset.
iframe is included in HTML 4.01 transitionnal. Why don't use it ?
DU <dr*******@hotn ospammail.com> spoke thus: You must give width and height value in order to simulate an iframe.
More importantly, does it work with IE 5.5/IE 6?
Yes.
Okay...
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title><obje ct> test</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
function set() {
window.document .getElementById ( 'obj').data="ht tp://www.yahoo.com";
}
//-->
</script>
</head>
<body>
<div>
<object type="text/html" data="" width="400" height="300" id="obj"></object>
</div>
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
set();
-->
</script>
</body>
</html>
(http://ataru.gomen.org/files/test.html)
How come IE 6 and Netscape 7.1 fail to behave as I expect, specifically
to load www.yahoo.com in the object tag? Opera 7.54 behaves in that
fashion. I'm posting separately to comp.lang.javas cript in case the
script is what's at fault.
You read what exactly on the unidentified message board?
Someone asked about using <object> instead of <iframe>, and several
people told him that IE's support was broken.
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In article <4i************ *************** *****@news.spar tanicus.utvinte rnet.ie>,
Spartanicus <me@privacy.net > writes: Specifying width and height on an embedded text page (eg html) would of
course be totally bogus.
A width and height must be specified as attributes to the object
element, not the embedded page.
That is totally and utterly nonsensical when the contents of the
object don't have dimensions. As in the case of an HTML page or
other text document. An author might want to suggest a size under
some circumstances, but that's not a general case.
Unlike for example images, replaced content such as HTML has no
intrinsic width and or height, so there's nothing incorrect about IE
collapsing an object element to 0 if no width & height are specified.
So it's OK to defeat both an authors and a readers expectations and
hide both the object contents and the alternative contents, without
even alerting the reader to its existence?
I thought you had more commonsense!
The specs of course leave the browser some discretion over how to render
an object, but denying its very existence doesn't seem to me a valid
implementation unless you at least render the alternative contents.
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Nick Kew
Nick's manifesto: http://www.htmlhelp.com/~nick/ ni**@hugin.webt hing.com (Nick Kew) wrote: Specifying width and height on an embedded text page (eg html) would of
course be totally bogus.
A width and height must be specified as attributes to the object
element, not the embedded page.
That is totally and utterly nonsensical when the contents of the
object don't have dimensions.
1) An "object's content" is that what is between the element's opening
and closing tag.
2) Nope, quite the other way around. Unlike for example images, replaced content such as HTML has no
intrinsic width and or height, so there's nothing incorrect about IE
collapsing an object element to 0 if no width & height are specified.
So it's OK to defeat both an authors and a readers expectations and
hide both the object contents and the alternative contents
1) It is 100% spec compliant.
2) Again: an "object's content" is that what is between the object
element's opening and closing tag.
3) IE "hiding" the "alternativ e content" is a must per spec since it
supports the object's data.
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