I have the following document, at http://ataru.gomen.org/file/test.html:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Test</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>
<body>
<h1>Hello, world!</h1>
<iframe></iframe>
</body>
</html>
The whole point of <iframe> is to embed a frame in a page, is it not?
But this document is not 4.01 strict, nor is it 4.01 frameset. Can I
use an <object> to get exactly the same effect as the <iframe>, or
must I resign myself to having a non-conforming page?
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Christopher Benson-Manica wrote: The whole point of <iframe> is to embed a frame in a page, is it not?
Yes ... with all the problems that come with that.
But this document is not 4.01 strict, nor is it 4.01 frameset.
Its in Transitional.
Can I use an <object> to get exactly the same effect as the <iframe>
Yes ... in some browsers. In other browsers (which support iframe) you will
find interesting bugs, while still others will ignore it entirely.
, or must I resign myself to having a non-conforming page?
As usual, "not using frames" is likely to be the best solution.
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Christopher Benson-Manica wrote: I have the following document, at http://ataru.gomen.org/file/test.html:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Test</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>
<body>
<h1>Hello, world!</h1>
<iframe></iframe>
</body>
</html>
The whole point of <iframe> is to embed a frame in a page, is it not?
But this document is not 4.01 strict, nor is it 4.01 frameset. Can I
use an <object> to get exactly the same effect as the <iframe>, or
must I resign myself to having a non-conforming page?
I recommend the following when using HTML 4.01 strict, if you must
import, embed an html document within an html document:
<p>
<object data="path/filename.html" type="text/html">
<a href="path/filename.html"> Some descriptive title for the link</a>
</object>
</p>
Best is still to avoid embedding html documents within html documents
for numerous reasons: bookmarking, copyrights, usability, navigability,
etc..
DU
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The site said to use Internet Explorer 5 or better... so I switched to
Mozilla 1.7.3 :)
DU <dr*******@hotn ospammail.com> spoke thus: <p>
<object data="path/filename.html" type="text/html">
<a href="path/filename.html"> Some descriptive title for the link</a>
</object>
</p>
Does that give the same effect as the <iframe>? More importantly,
does it work with IE 5.5/IE 6? I read on a message board that
<object> was broken for IE as of sometime last year. I don't know
for sure that I can do that anyway, since the <iframe> is heavily
modified and accessed by JavaScript...
Best is still to avoid embedding html documents within html documents
for numerous reasons: bookmarking, copyrights, usability, navigability,
etc..
That, unfortunately, is not a design decision I can make.
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David Dorward <do*****@yahoo. com> spoke thus: Its in Transitional.
Ah. Perhaps I will use that for this page.
Yes ... in some browsers. In other browsers (which support iframe) you will
find interesting bugs, while still others will ignore it entirely.
I'm exclusively concerned with recent versions of Netscape/Mozilla and
IE, but I have heard that <object> is buggy in IE.
As usual, "not using frames" is likely to be the best solution.
I'd love to, but I wasn't around when this code was written originally ;)
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Christopher Benson-Manica <at***@nospam.c yberspace.org> wrote: <p>
<object data="path/filename.html" type="text/html">
<a href="path/filename.html"> Some descriptive title for the link</a>
</object>
</p>
Does that give the same effect as the <iframe>? More importantly,
does it work with IE 5.5/IE 6?
It will if you specify a width and height (in the html), replaced html
has no intrinsic width and/or height so you must specify it.
I read on a message board that
<object> was broken for IE as of sometime last year.
It is for certain content types (images mostly). http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/embed.htm
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David Dorward <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote: Can I use an <object> to get exactly the same effect as the <iframe>
Yes ... in some browsers. In other browsers (which support iframe) you will
find interesting bugs,
Can you expand?
while still others will ignore it entirely.
IIRC NS4 ignores object, but it renders the content so only the
embedding will fail, the content will still be accessible. Any other
relevant UAs that have problems with embedding html via object?
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Spartanicus
Christopher Benson-Manica wrote: DU <dr*******@hotn ospammail.com> spoke thus:
<p>
<object data="path/filename.html" type="text/html">
<a href="path/filename.html"> Some descriptive title for the link</a>
</object>
</p>
Does that give the same effect as the <iframe>?
You must give width and height value in order to simulate an iframe.
More importantly, does it work with IE 5.5/IE 6?
Yes.
I read on a message board that <object> was broken for IE as of sometime last year.
You read what exactly on the unidentified message board?
I don't know for sure that I can do that anyway, since the <iframe> is heavily
modified and accessed by JavaScript...
Then don't use it.
Best is still to avoid embedding html documents within html documents
for numerous reasons: bookmarking, copyrights, usability, navigability,
etc..
That, unfortunately, is not a design decision I can make.
Well, you can certainly bring good convincing arguments against such:
there are many sites explaining in details what's wrong with iframes,
frames, etc., you know.
DU
--
The site said to use Internet Explorer 5 or better... so I switched to
Mozilla 1.7.3 :)
Spartanicus wrote: Yes ... in some browsers. In other browsers (which support iframe) you
will find interesting bugs,
Can you expand?
No actually, given that its a less-well-supported-iframe, I'd just go with
an iframe had I the need[1] for something like that.
[1] To date: once ... and that was a web application that only I use!
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David Dorward <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote: Yes ... in some browsers. In other browsers (which support iframe) you
will find interesting bugs, Can you expand?
No actually
You forgot?
, given that its a less-well-supported-iframe, I'd just go with
an iframe had I the need[1] for something like that.
And you base this "less well supported" claim on?
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