I'm trying to get my head around a problem that has me baffled.
The following element:
#wrapper {border:1px solid #000;background :#fff;}
Renders as expected when using this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
But when switching to this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
Neither the outline or background colour is rendered.
What am I missing?
Jul 21 '05
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The Good Son wrote: Thanks for the replies.
It's a requirement of the CMS we are using that our templates conform to
XHTML 1.0 strict.
Funny thing is, whilst the stylesheet entry is being ignored, I can add the
attributes to the element within the template and it adds the border and
background colour.
Here is a W3C test case of an XHTML 1.0 Strict document demonstrating,
among other things, the use of border and background-color. http://www.w3.org/QA/2004/02/object/test-case-008
--
Gus
Thanks for the link, but it doesn't help much.
The problem I have is one of specific entries in the stylesheet being
completely ignored. If I take those entries and add them directly to the
element in the page template the page renders correctly in the browser
window.
"Lauri Raittila" <la***@raittila .cjb.net> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@news.individu al.net... in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Tony Marston wrote:
"Justin Lieb" <ju************ **@adelphia.net > wrote in message > XHTML is basically pointless at this point in time, unless they
> want to use xml tools with it.
Actually, people that use xml tools often say that is is easier to output
html than appendix C conforming xhtml...
I disagree. My PHP web application has output XHTML for over two years,
and
renders in IE, Opera and Firefox. The differences between "proper" HTML
and
XHTML are minor.
And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
Because I can. I could use plain old HTML, but that is so-o-o-o-o last
century. One must keep up with the current standards, mustn't one?
--
Tony Marston http://www.tonymarston.net
The Good Son wrote: Thanks for the link, but it doesn't help much.
The problem I have is one of specific entries in the stylesheet being
completely ignored. If I take those entries and add them directly to the
element in the page template the page renders correctly in the browser
window.
You provide a selector with declaration and you say that it does not work.
I give you an example where it does work.
You say that it does not help much - it still does not work.
Do you see anything at all odd in this scenario?
The link proves that it works, therefore there is something amiss in
your document and you should be able to troubleshoot it. If you're
looking for someone to do it for you, then you haven't provided enough
information.
--
Gus
Tony Marston wrote: "Lauri Raittila" <la***@raittila .cjb.net> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@news.individu al.net...
in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Tony Marston wrote:
"Justin Lieb" <ju************ **@adelphia.net > wrote in message
XHTML is basically pointless at this point in time, unless they
want to use xml tools with it.
Actually, people that use xml tools often say that is is easier to output
html than appendix C conforming xhtml...
I disagree. My PHP web application has output XHTML for over two years,
and
renders in IE, Opera and Firefox. The differences between "proper" HTML
and
XHTML are minor.
And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
Because I can. I could use plain old HTML, but that is so-o-o-o-o last
century. One must keep up with the current standards, mustn't one?
Of course you can, but serious web developers will use what
works properly with current browsers! Remember browser will
treat what you claim is valid XHTML as tag soup or HTML 3.2
if you will.
JL
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Tony Marston wrote: "Lauri Raittila" <la***@raittila .cjb.net> wrote in message
And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
Because I can. I could use plain old HTML, but that is so-o-o-o-o last
century. One must keep up with the current standards, mustn't one?
That rather depends on whether you're trying to communicate your
content to the web, or to make a fashion statement.
Statistically, like it or not (personally I don't like it, but it's
reality nevertheless), the majority of users are browsing with a
browser-like object from the last century that doesn't even conform to
mandatory IETF interworking rules, let alone the W3C ones.
Let me put it this way. You might have your own good reasons for
emitting XHTML, but you don't seem to have actually revealed them here
yet. That it is feasible (relying on a widespread browser bug
relative to SGML) to feed XHTML to browsers which were designed for
HTML, using the provisions of Appendix C, is not contentious: we all
know about it. It's just that some draw different conclusions from
that observation.
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, Tony Marston wrote: And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
Because I can.
I would say that it is not very good argument. So it is pointless, at
least you find one reason (point), why it would be better.
I could use plain old HTML, but that is so-o-o-o-o last
century. One must keep up with the current standards, mustn't one?
I am almost 100% sure that valid XHTML strict will never be as well
supported as HTML4 strict. If done like appendix C, support is not
currently much worse, but Appendix C is non normative, and thus not
standard. Anyway, if you would use current standard, that would be
XHTNL1.1, which don't work in IE.
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Lauri Raittila wrote: in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Tony Marston wrote:
And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
Because I can.
I would say that it is not very good argument. So it is pointless, at
least you find one reason (point), why it would be better.
I could use plain old HTML, but that is so-o-o-o-o last
century. One must keep up with the current standards, mustn't one?
I am almost 100% sure that valid XHTML strict will never be as well
supported as HTML4 strict.
I am 100% certain that is true for legacy browsers, although somewhat of
an odd statement since XHTML incorporates HTML 4.
If done like appendix C, support is not
currently much worse, but Appendix C is non normative, and thus not
standard.
Appendix C is used to support non-standard legacy browsers.
Anyway, if you would use current standard, that would be
XHTNL1.1, which don't work in IE.
This site, served as text/html, does not work on your IE? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/
Please expand on what does not work.
--
Gus
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, Gus Richter wrote: Lauri Raittila wrote: in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Tony Marston wrote:
And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
Because I can.
I would say that it is not very good argument. So it is pointless, at
least you find one reason (point), why it would be better.
I could use plain old HTML, but that is so-o-o-o-o last
century. One must keep up with the current standards, mustn't one?
I am almost 100% sure that valid XHTML strict will never be as well
supported as HTML4 strict.
I am 100% certain that is true for legacy browsers although somewhat of
an odd statement since XHTML incorporates HTML 4.
There are differences. Just enough to make browsers have problems, but
not enough to actually give any benefits...
If done like appendix C, support is not
currently much worse, but Appendix C is non normative, and thus not
standard.
Appendix C is used to support non-standard legacy browsers.
Yes. Remembering that legasy browsers is also IE6, which is 80% of
current browsers
Anyway, if you would use current standard, that would be
XHTNL1.1, which don't work in IE.
N->M of course
This site, served as text/html, does not work on your IE?
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/
Please expand on what does not work.
It is supposed to be served in text/xhtml+xml. You can serve it using
text/html, it is bad thing to do, but you can. But that won't mean
XHTML1.1 works in IE, done as it should be done. Just as IE doesn't
support XHTML1.0 either, unless appendix C is followed. So, IE clearly
don't support XHTML - you can't just make correct xhtml document and
think that it works in IE.
But if you make document following the spec, you find out that IE won't
support it. And that it don't work.
And that document you refer gets quirks mode in IE...
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> You provide a selector with declaration and you say that it does not work. I give you an example where it does work.
You say that it does not help much - it still does not work.
I have plenty of examples, formatted in the same way, within the original
stylesheet that do work.
Do you see anything at all odd in this scenario?
Yes, you don't seem to be with me. I'm trying to understand why the change
in doctype would cause this problem.
The link proves that it works, therefore there is something amiss in
your document and you should be able to troubleshoot it.
If I switch the doctype back, it works. I want to understand why it is just
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