I'm trying to get my head around a problem that has me baffled.
The following element:
#wrapper {border:1px solid #000;background :#fff;}
Renders as expected when using this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
But when switching to this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
Neither the outline or background colour is rendered.
What am I missing?
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:50:04 +0200, The Good Son <go******@freeu k.com>
wrote: I'm trying to get my head around a problem that has me baffled.
The following element:
#wrapper {border:1px solid #000;background :#fff;}
Renders as expected when using this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
But when switching to this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
Neither the outline or background colour is rendered.
What am I missing?
DOCTYPE switching. See for example http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch.html
Browsers are less forgiving of syntax errors, and some CSS properties are
interpreted more strictly, when you trigger Stabdards mode rendering by
using a 'modern' Doctype.
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Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote: On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:50:04 +0200, The Good Son <go******@freeu k.com>
wrote:
I'm trying to get my head around a problem that has me baffled.
The following element:
#wrapper {border:1px solid #000;background :#fff;}
Renders as expected when using this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
But when switching to this DTD:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
Neither the outline or background colour is rendered.
What am I missing?
DOCTYPE switching. See for example
http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch.html
Browsers are less forgiving of syntax errors, and some CSS properties
are interpreted more strictly, when you trigger Stabdards mode
rendering by using a 'modern' Doctype.
Why are you using XHTML? Personally I would go from
transitional to strict, but not HTML 4.0 Transitional to
XHTML 1.0 Strict. Please read: http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml for more info on the
problems this will create. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
going to XHTML and sending as text/html triggers quirks mode
on most browsers.
JL
Justin Lieb wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but going to XHTML and sending as
text/html triggers quirks mode on most browsers.
Consider yourself corrected. This only happens with IE6 when the <?xml
line appears prior to the DOCTYPE.
C A Upsdell > wrote: Justin Lieb wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but going to XHTML and sending as text/html
triggers quirks mode on most browsers.
Consider yourself corrected. This only happens with IE6 when the <?xml
line appears prior to the DOCTYPE.
Regardless, when sending XHTML as text/html, browsers will
treat it as "tag soup". That is why I made the assumption
that XHTML sent as text/html would trigger quirks mode.
Thank you for correcting though!
JL
Justin Lieb wrote: C A Upsdell > wrote:
Justin Lieb wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but going to XHTML and sending as text/html
triggers quirks mode on most browsers.
Consider yourself corrected. This only happens with IE6 when the
<?xml line appears prior to the DOCTYPE.
Regardless, when sending XHTML as text/html, browsers will treat it as
"tag soup". That is why I made the assumption that XHTML sent as
text/html would trigger quirks mode. Thank you for correcting though!
Quirks Mode is standard with legacy browsers since they have only that.
IE 6 will trigger Quirks if the XML Declaration is used, otherwise it is
in Standards Mode. Gecko based, Opera, Safari and IE5/Mac will be in
Standards Mode.
As long as the document is compliant with Appendix C of XHTML 1.0 it
will be compatible with Tag Soup processors. You have to read the whole
document which you quoted.
--
Gus
Gus Richter wrote: Justin Lieb wrote:
C A Upsdell > wrote:
Justin Lieb wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but going to XHTML and sending as text/html
triggers quirks mode on most browsers.
Consider yourself corrected. This only happens with IE6 when the
<?xml line appears prior to the DOCTYPE.
Regardless, when sending XHTML as text/html, browsers will treat it as
"tag soup". That is why I made the assumption that XHTML sent as
text/html would trigger quirks mode. Thank you for correcting though!
Quirks Mode is standard with legacy browsers since they have only that.
IE 6 will trigger Quirks if the XML Declaration is used, otherwise it is
in Standards Mode. Gecko based, Opera, Safari and IE5/Mac will be in
Standards Mode.
Understood.
As long as the document is compliant with Appendix C of XHTML 1.0 it
will be compatible with Tag Soup processors. You have to read the whole
document which you quoted.
Read the whole document before quoting it, still didn't
understand quirks vs. standard in that context. Now I do.
But my original point still stands, XHTML is basically
pointless at this point in time, unless they want to use xml
tools with it.
JL
"Justin Lieb" <ju************ **@adelphia.net > wrote in message
news:t9******** ************@ad elphia.com... Gus Richter wrote:
<snip> Read the whole document before quoting it, still didn't understand quirks
vs. standard in that context. Now I do. But my original point still
stands, XHTML is basically pointless at this point in time, unless they
want to use xml tools with it.
JL
I disagree. My PHP web application has output XHTML for over two years, and
renders in IE, Opera and Firefox. The differences between "proper" HTML and
XHTML are minor.
--
Tony Marston http://www.tonymarston.net
Thanks for the replies.
It's a requirement of the CMS we are using that our templates conform to
XHTML 1.0 strict.
Funny thing is, whilst the stylesheet entry is being ignored, I can add the
attributes to the element within the template and it adds the border and
background colour.
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, Tony Marston wrote:
"Justin Lieb" <ju************ **@adelphia.net > wrote in message XHTML is basically pointless at this point in time, unless they
want to use xml tools with it.
Actually, people that use xml tools often say that is is easier to output
html than appendix C conforming xhtml...
I disagree. My PHP web application has output XHTML for over two years, and
renders in IE, Opera and Firefox. The differences between "proper" HTML and
XHTML are minor.
And point of using xhtml is? You could just fine use plain html4, right?
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>
Utrecht, NL.
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