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Top-Posting Vs. Bottom-Posting

I received a message in another newsgroup saying that I shouldn't top-post
my replies. I always top-post, because I feel it's easier for the reader to
see the reply, rather than having to go to the bottom of the previous
message. But, since this is the main newsgroup I post in, I thought I'd ask
its members, especially Sir Larry, what the preferred method is (if any).
Here are the links the fellow provided me:

<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html >
<http://www.netmeister. org/news/learn2quote.htm l>
<http://cfaj.freeshell. org/google/ (taming google)
<http://members.fortune city.com/nnqweb/ (newusers)

Do you guys agree or disagree or don't care?

Thanks,

Neil
Nov 22 '07 #1
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"Neil" <no****@nospam. netwrote:
>I received a message in another newsgroup saying that I shouldn't top-post
my replies.
I bottom post but then I always trim. A habit from the days of $.86 per minute long
distance and 2400 bps modems. Larry Linson and I first met on the Fidonet Access
echo back in 1993 or 1994 or so. It was a pleasure to finally meet him at an MVP
summit a few years ago.

Top posting but not trimming is likely one of the biggest peeves of mine when a
thread starts getting long. Especially if some dimwit keeps 300 lines and posts a
short "I agree" at the bottom.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
Nov 22 '07 #2
"Tony Toews [MVP]" <tt****@teluspl anet.netwrote in message
news:a0******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...
"Neil" <no****@nospam. netwrote:
>>I received a message in another newsgroup saying that I shouldn't top-post
my replies.

I bottom post but then I always trim. A habit from the days of $.86 per
minute long
distance and 2400 bps modems. Larry Linson and I first met on the Fidonet
Access
echo back in 1993 or 1994 or so. It was a pleasure to finally meet him
at an MVP
summit a few years ago.

Top posting but not trimming is likely one of the biggest peeves of mine
when a
thread starts getting long. Especially if some dimwit keeps 300 lines
and posts a
short "I agree" at the bottom.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
I agree ;-)

Sorry Tony, couldn't resist.

Nov 22 '07 #3
"Neil" <no****@nospam. netwrote in
news:t8******** ********@newssv r19.news.prodig y.net:
Do you guys agree or disagree or don't care?
I don't care. I read this forum for substance.

For form I go over to alt.pictures.sv elte-american-women; unfortunately
there has been nothing posted there for more than nine years.

But it used to be great for bottom-posting.

.... top too.

--
lyle fairfield

I will arise and go now,
For always night and day
I hear lake water lapping
With low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway
Or on the pavements gray,
I hear it in the deep heart's core.
- Yeats
Nov 22 '07 #4
Neil wrote:
I received a message in another newsgroup saying that I shouldn't
top-post my replies. I always top-post, because I feel it's easier
for the reader to see the reply,
Sure, but what about all the readers for whom it is not a reply? If I ask a
question and you top post an answer that's great for me. For someone who comes
along later and sees only your post they have to read it backwards.

One thing that is certainly true is that top posting is easier for the poster.
Saying that it is easier for readers is at worst disengenuous and simply
incorrect at best.

(newsnet posts are not merely a conversation between two people)
Do you guys agree or disagree or don't care?
The biggest problem with top posters is that they don't trim down to the
specific quotes they are replying to. Leaving a huge quoted thread in a post
with a few comments at the very bottom is just as bad or worse than top posting.

Many assume that how the thread looks in their interface is how it looks to
everyone else and don't consider how the thread looks days or weeks later. You
can't assume that the whole thread is being read in real time with memory of
previous posts helping out.

To me it is a bigger deal in discussion threads. If an initial post is a
question that can be definitively answered in a single response then having that
response be top posted is not such a big deal. Longer threads get to be a mess
real quick with top posting though. Of course one never knows when a simple
question/answer thread is going to turn into a long discussion thread.

Ultimately the conventions of the group are what should be followed (if it has
any).

--
Rick Brandt, Microsoft Access MVP
Email (as appropriate) to...
RBrandt at Hunter dot com
Nov 22 '07 #5
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:49:16 -0600, "Rick Brandt"
<ri*********@ho tmail.comwrote:

[trim]
>Ultimately the conventions of the group are what should be followed (if it has
any).
I personally prefer top posted messages. I find it quicker and easier
to read replies at the top. But I believe that Rick is correct about
following conventions. Top posting is considered objectionable in a
vast majority of newsgroups.
Nov 22 '07 #6
"Neil" <no****@nospam. netschreef in bericht news:t8******** ********@newssv r19.news.prodig y.net...
>I received a message in another newsgroup saying that I shouldn't top-post
my replies. I always top-post, because I feel it's easier for the reader to
see the reply, rather than having to go to the bottom of the previous
message. But, since this is the main newsgroup I post in, I thought I'd ask
its members, especially Sir Larry, what the preferred method is (if any).


Nice issue again (how many times did we discuss this ??)
I once learned from this: (but I still top-post sometimes)
||
**************
A: Top-posting
Q: What is annoying in usenet ??
*************** **********

What about 'middle-posting ?? I mean 'inline' of course. ;-)
When really discussing issues it's much preferable IMO to answer 'inline'.

I fully agree with the pledge of others to trim
-- Trim all from the original post that is unneeded in the reply.
-- Leave only the lines that you are responding to.

Arno R
Nov 22 '07 #7
"Keith Wilby" <he**@there.com wrote:
>Especially if some dimwit keeps 300 lines
>and posts a
short "I agree" at the bottom.

I agree ;-)

Sorry Tony, couldn't resist.
<whack One in every crowd. <chuckle>

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
Nov 22 '07 #8
"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@ho tmail.comwrote in
news:iV******** ******@nlpi061. nbdc.sbc.com:
Many assume that how the thread looks in their interface is how it
looks to everyone else and don't consider how the thread looks
days or weeks later.
This is a key point. Post for the Google Groups archive -- including
everything since Adam and Eve is really dumb there, since all the
posts are there in succession.

I hate top posting, but don't mind it when the quoted matter is
trimmed to just the the part that is being addressed. The point is
not where you put your reply, but how intelligently you cut out the
garbage that makes the post more difficult to read.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
Nov 22 '07 #9

"Arno R" <ar************ ****@planet.nlw rote in message
news:47******** *************** @text.nova.plan et.nl...
"Neil" <no****@nospam. netschreef in bericht
news:t8******** ********@newssv r19.news.prodig y.net...
>I received a message in another newsgroup saying that I shouldn't top-post
my replies. I always top-post, because I feel it's easier for the reader
to
see the reply, rather than having to go to the bottom of the previous
message. But, since this is the main newsgroup I post in, I thought I'd
ask
its members, especially Sir Larry, what the preferred method is (if any).
Nice issue again (how many times did we discuss this ??)
I once learned from this: (but I still top-post sometimes)
||
**************
A: Top-posting
Q: What is annoying in usenet ??
*************** **********

What Arno said
Nov 22 '07 #10

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