Think BEFORE you post.

[GhostInAK]

I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo

[xfile]

BTW I teach in one of those schools that have just started back. I spend

my life helping those that know a lot less than I do (and I hear the same
questions year after year)

Good for you :) That's what teachers do and I always appreciated that.

Sorry, just stopped by this newsgroup and found this interesting subject.

Many people are not born or educated to be a good teacher or instructor
(such as myself :) ), but to the least degree, he/she should understand
that and make a better use of his/her time and talents.

No question is a stupid question. I have learned and shared many and yet
still asking many "stupid" questions just to make sure I really understood
the question.

If I understood correctly, people come here are volunteers for helping
others. If he/she thinks not so willing, why do some gardening works
instead of coming here.

I tried to point out where might be the sources of simple answers and how to
get it "at the end" of help session at the office. Isn't it a better way
for "teaching" people for the immediate needs and for problem solving at the
same time, and see if they can learn - before jumping to the conclusion?

Finally, I really appreciate those who care to spend your time, knowledge,
and skills for pure idiots like myself and others with more advanced skills.
You may wish to know one thing - This is why US-based newsgroups have much
more visitors than any other countries for the same topics established by
MS - if you occasionally visited different country-based newsgroups for
Europe and Asia. In the end, you also helped this country to maintain one
of its core competencies - computer skills.

"Howard" <no****@home.pl ease.co.ukwrote in message
news:zu******** ************@pi pex.net...

I'm really impressed! Those people who called you an idiot must really
have left ther mark.
I can see you don't tolerate the idoits of today who want to improve, jusy
as as you did once.

However, you must be a great help to those who know just a little less
than you.

But what about things you don't you know about? After you've Googled and
not understood the replies wouldn't it be nice to ask somone who will give
you a polite and informative answer?

If you think the question posted by someone is stupid and has been asked
before you don't have to read it, let alone answer it.

I too learnt the hard way once because there was nobody out there to help
me (or call me an idiot).
Fortunately now there is ways to get help and I get just a little kick out
of being one of those who does the helping

Howard

BTW I teach in one of those schools that have just started back. I spend
my life helping those that know a lot less than I do (and I hear the same
questions year after year)


. Y
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comwrote in message
news:be******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

>Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate
the idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge
because they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my
knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo

[xfile]

>Anybody can be replaced anywhere at any time and the world will still go on

turning you know.

Realizing that some years ago, I started to take longer vocations as
Europeans do :)

"Denis Voyer" <de********@ade nak.comwrote in message
news:O4******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

"You need to be 'this big' or 'this many' to post questions in this group"
lol Seriously Boo, that comment is exstreamly snobish. Do you really think
that you are that indispensible? Anybody can be replaced anywhere at any
time and the world will still go on turning you know. Speaking as a newbie
myself I don't "need" your advice I respectfully ask for your help knowing
that you and the others here have more experience. Period. If you can't or
won't come down from that high mountain to help us poor people who need
help once in a while, that's ok we'll just go beat on our drum for the
next VB.Net Godly spirit to answer. lol

"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comwrote in message
news:be******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

>Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate
the idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge
because they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my
knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo

[Doug Marquardt]

Wow....

Glad I never came across you in my MSBASIC posts on CompuServe....
actually... back then, the "boys" (and girls) would have easily put you in
your place...
yes, "your place".

But those days are gone... so I guess we will have to live with ya... too
bad
for beginners who post to this newsgroup...., and yes, you might as well
include me in that group.

Doug.
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comwrote in message
news:be******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the

ability

to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to have a

freakin

bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your fuking hippy

drum

circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart

attitude

of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the idea

that

the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent years..

decades

accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because they make a

demand

for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as
I see fit to despense it.

I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the

context

of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You don't have
to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED YOU.

-Boo

[xfile]

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)

that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

I feel sorry for you.

You learned from an "experience d" programmer, not necessary a decent people
and a qualified supervisor or instructor.

You're repeating/revenging your miserable experiences to those
disadvantaged. You think that since you have suffered, others have to
suffered too.

I bet you were less harder than I was as a business majored person who had
joined the tech industry for over two decades.

Idiot is a too nice word for people giving to me at the time. I spent
thousands and thousands of dollars on self-learning, and learned from
generous people of various newsgroups and forums, and eventually I was on
the top management and now started my own business.

You're the type of engineers that I have no hesitation to fire and would
never include into consideration to hire.

It is because we suffered before that we need to help others now.
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comwrote in message
news:be******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.
The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart
attitude of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the
idea that the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent
years.. decades accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because
they make a demand for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll
get it (or not) as I see fit to despense it.
I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the
context of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You
don't have to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED
YOU.

-Boo

[RoninWarrior]

I'm not opposed to you being a hypocritical asshat, just your ranting
about it in here. I believe the reason someone set these forums up was
for the purpose of COMMUNICATION. It certainly was not for the power
hungry or ignorance to flourish.

Here's a new activity you can not ask questions about: restraint.
GhostInAK wrote:

Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the ability
to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to have a freakin
bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your fuking hippy drum
circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart attitude
of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the idea that
the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent years.. decades
accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because they make a demand
for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as
I see fit to despense it.

I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the context
of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You don't have
to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED YOU.

-Boo

[Opa Vito]

GhostInAK schreef:

I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question is "How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up
the Obejct Browser and take a look at the properties and methods of Y.
Also, Google is your very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE
SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

There was a time you were a newbie too ... please don't forget that.

Did it ever came to your mind MOST explanations or documentation that
can be found with Google are in English and MANY not English people
(like me) have problems in understanding what is written.
Just like the world doesn't belong to the U.S.A programming doesn't
belong to English people or to people who are more skilled in
programming than others.
Instead of posting such an offensive message it would be better to
ignore them if they bother you. That's what I do when I read (other)
ng's and find a question way too silly ....

Maybe this is a newsgrooup for pro's, then I will redraw from here and
look somewhere else for answers just because I like to do some
programming for fun. But as far as I know it's not forbidden to ask
questions, how silly they may be or how bad they may reflect the
laziness of the author.

Opa Vito

[pvdg42]

"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comwrote in message
news:be******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your
fuking hippy drum circle.

<snip>
Now, I'll have my say, as you obviously did not "THINK before you post".
You're quite right that "We don't have to be nice." By the same token, we
don't have to be nasty or belittle people. Does it somehow make you feel
superior when you do?
Only the weak and insecure bully and belittle from behind the protection of
an electronic interface.
Oh, and before you try laying any of your "Go back to your (sic)fuking hippy
circle" junk on me, I'm a 24 year military veteran and retired senior
officer (as right wing as they come).

--
Peter [MVP Visual Developer]
Jack of all trades, master of none.

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Hi Opa,

Boo can write very pleasant messages too; therefore don't blame him for this
message. It is his opinion and he brings it in the discussion, something I
am used to do too as it bothers me. I (and with a high chance you) are
living in a country that is stated because of this principle more than 400
years ago now, we are free to speech, therefore let him do that as well.

From this thread, I understand that what Boo has written is in not accepted
by the majority of the visitors from this newsgroup.

However, he can always use the not written "student rule" which regulars use
in this newsgroup: We give never too those direct answers, only hints to
find the solution for their problem...

:-)

Cor
"Opa Vito" <ge*****@dit.ni etschreef in bericht
news:cM******** *************** *******@scarlet .biz...

GhostInAK schreef:

>I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question is "How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up
the Obejct Browser and take a look at the properties and methods of Y.
Also, Google is your very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE
SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

There was a time you were a newbie too ... please don't forget that.

Did it ever came to your mind MOST explanations or documentation that can
be found with Google are in English and MANY not English people (like me)
have problems in understanding what is written.
Just like the world doesn't belong to the U.S.A programming doesn't belong
to English people or to people who are more skilled in programming than
others.
Instead of posting such an offensive message it would be better to ignore
them if they bother you. That's what I do when I read (other) ng's and
find a question way too silly ....

Maybe this is a newsgrooup for pro's, then I will redraw from here and
look somewhere else for answers just because I like to do some programming
for fun. But as far as I know it's not forbidden to ask questions, how
silly they may be or how bad they may reflect the laziness of the author.

Opa Vito

[pvdg42]

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************ @planet.nlwrote in message
news:ur******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

Hi Opa,

Boo can write very pleasant messages too; therefore don't blame him for
this message. It is his opinion and he brings it in the discussion,
something I am used to do too as it bothers me. I (and with a high chance
you) are living in a country that is stated because of this principle more
than 400 years ago now, we are free to speech, therefore let him do that
as well.

From this thread, I understand that what Boo has written is in not
accepted by the majority of the visitors from this newsgroup.

However, he can always use the not written "student rule" which regulars
use in this newsgroup: We give never too those direct answers, only hints
to find the solution for their problem...

:-)

Cor

I agree 100% with the "student rule". It can easily be applied without
unnecessary unpleasantness.

[John Timney \(MVP\)]

its hilarious isn't it........!! Made me smile a few times.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Steve Long" <St**********@N oSpam.comwrote in message
news:eS******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...

That's funny. Now, in the real world... Oh wait, that's on MTV...
That's not the real world either
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney. eclipse.co.ukwr ote in message
news:AL******** *************** *******@eclipse .net.uk...

>you can herd cats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STdOEBORp0

...lol
--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Steve Long" <St**********@N oSpam.comwrote in message
news:%2******* *********@TK2MS FTNGP05.phx.gbl ...

>>The basic problem is that you can't herd cats! So, all of your whining
will be for not in the end. How many newbies do you even think will read
this post? It doesn't appy to them as far as they can see, so they will
not even give it a glance. If you think a problem is too dumb to answer,
don't answer it. Move on to something more challenging.
While I agree that Google is one of my best friends, I alway google
before I come to this group simply because it's faster than waiting for
answers here. If I can't get an answer there, either because I haven't
used the correct key words or I've put it in the wrong context, I'll
come here and post and wait.
NTL, google once, google twice, google many times using different key
words before coming here I do...
And, many times, nobody else knows the answer either it seems. An
example is my post in this group from 9/26/2006 with a subject line:

"VS 2005 & list of installed products."

It happened to someone else but nobody seems to know why. What happened
to MS' promise of an answer within 48 hours? If you are an MSDN
subcriber, you're supposed to be able to reliably get help here but,
probably 20%-30% of the time, I get no answer.
The positive thing is, that when I do come to the ng's, I usually try to
answer some questions if I can, so at least I can add something back.

Steve

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam .hotmail.comwro te in message
news:ud****** ********@TK2MSF TNGP04.phx.gbl. ..
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be
a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2
minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the
best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you
know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute
he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit
from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to
discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the
best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmer s,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programmin g today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco .comschreef in bericht
news:11***** ********@sp6iad .superfeed.net. ..
>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to
vbdotnet.tra shtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google,
and
the rest for
permissio n to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its
attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.
>
Peter, you've been put on my delete list.
>
>
>
"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam .hotmail.comwro te in message
news:OD**** **********@TK2M SFTNGP06.phx.gb l...
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post
with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that
they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first
try
to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in
answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it
out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert
here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all
newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer
yourself
then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but
I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programmin g today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to
produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich
Cook)
"GhostInAK " <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7***** *************** ******@news.mic rosoft.com...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no
purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a
stream?
>
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.
>
My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your
question
is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the
Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google
is
your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
>
-Boo
>
>

>
>
>
>
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