Think BEFORE you post.

[GhostInAK]

I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo

[Peter Proost]

Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before

spewing

your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct

Browser

and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo

[Göran Andersson]

It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:

Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

>I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before

spewing

>your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct

Browser

>and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo

[Peter Proost]

That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.co mschreef in bericht
news:e2******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:

Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they

haven

been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try

to

find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in

answer

yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in

the

ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all

newbies

ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself

then

from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I

still

watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to

produce

bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no

purpose

in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before

spewing

your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question

is

"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct

Browser

and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is

your

very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR

YOURSELF.

>
-Boo

[John Timney \(MVP\)]

Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam .hotmail.comwro te in message
news:OE******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...

That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the
subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.co mschreef in bericht
news:e2******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

>It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:

Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they

haven

been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try

to

find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in

answer

yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in

the

ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all

newbies

ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself

then

from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I

still

watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to

produce

bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no

purpose

>in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question

is

>"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct
Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is

your

>very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR

YOURSELF.

>>
-Boo

[Peter Proost]

ACK

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney. eclipse.co.uksc hreef in bericht
news:Bq******** *************** *******@eclipse .net.uk...

Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or

is

as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be

asking

entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better

than

they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
VISIT MY WEBSITE:
http://www.johntimney.com
"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam .hotmail.comwro te in message
news:OE******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...

That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the
subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to

produce

bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.co mschreef in bericht
news:e2******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for

beginnners

(10p)". ;)

Peter Proost wrote:
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post

with

subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that

they

haven

been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first

try

to

find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in

answer

yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it

out

yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here
in

the

ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all

newbies

ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself

then

from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but

I

still

watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to

produce

bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich

Cook)

"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...
I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no

purpose

in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a

stream?

>
Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before
spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your

question

is

"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the

Obejct

Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is

your

very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR

YOURSELF.

>
-Boo

[TyBreaker]

John Timney (MVP) wrote:

Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

We must also remember that beginners don't exactly have a BASIC ROM to
get into just by turning their computer on - now those were the days!
Today's programming environments are so out there it's amazing beginners
can achieve anything. Object oriented languages are as intuitive as
learning Icelandic!

Microsoft would do well to replace the old qbasic with something similar
so beginners have something quick and easy to get into.

--
______ ___ __
/_ __/_ __/ _ )_______ ___ _/ /_____ ____
/ / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/
/_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/
/___/

There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the
binary numbering system and those who don't.

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI.

[Robinson]

"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney. eclipse.co.ukwr ote in message
news:Bq******** *************** *******@eclipse .net.uk...

Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or
is as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be
asking entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive
is the problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem
better than they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

I totally agree with the first part of your post. However, for the second
part, successful googling is a skill like any other. When you need to
understand the concepts and keywords you want to know about - something of
an impasse occurs. This group does not need the OP discouraging people from
asking "obvious" questions, or even non-obvious questions; the poster does
not know beforehand whether the question is obvious or not. If the OP
doesn't like these questions, he doesn't have to answer them. This group
has been free of bad attitude for the years I've been using it and I hope it
stays that way. This may mean the OP changing his approach.

The only advice I would give new posters is to always put the question in
context. It's much easier to find the answer that way.

[Me]

Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to vbdotnet.trasht alk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam .hotmail.comwro te in message
news:OD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...

Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

>I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before

spewing

>your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct

Browser

>and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Boo

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[Peter Proost]

Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"Me" <ge******@lisco .comschreef in bericht
news:11******** *****@sp6iad.su perfeed.net...

>
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to

vbdotnet.trasht alk

I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam .hotmail.comwro te in message
news:OD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...

Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they
haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try

to

find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in

answer

yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in
the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all

newbies

ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself

then

from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I
still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to

produce

bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)
"GhostInAK" <gh*******@gmai l.comschreef in bericht
news:c7******** *************** ***@news.micros oft.com...

I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no

purpose

in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before

spewing

your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question

is

"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct

Browser

and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is

your

very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR

YOURSELF.

>
-Boo

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