Looking for some Programmers

[Kevin]

Hey guys. I'm looking to get together some VB programmers on Yahoo
messenger. I sit at a computer and program all day.

I have about 3 or 4 people already, but it would be really cool to
have a much larger list of people (for all of us to benefit). I have
found it to be an invaluable resource to answer those hard or weird
programming questions that come up.

If you are interested, please reply, or send me an email at
im*****@gmail.c om

-Kevin

[Jeff Dillon]

So you IM each one individually if you have a question? When one developer
comes up with a solution, do you then IM the rest with the answer, so
everyone gains?

Why not get them all on this newsgroup?

Jeff

"Kevin" <IM*****@gmail. com> wrote in message
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Hey guys. I'm looking to get together some VB programmers on Yahoo
messenger. I sit at a computer and program all day.

I have about 3 or 4 people already, but it would be really cool to
have a much larger list of people (for all of us to benefit). I have
found it to be an invaluable resource to answer those hard or weird
programming questions that come up.

If you are interested, please reply, or send me an email at
im*****@gmail.c om

-Kevin

[Kevin Gabbert]

It is a different format in which to deal with code issues. I've found
that it "makes the office bigger". --especially while debating issues.
I've been doing this for 2 years, and I have had a lot of success with
it.

The most helpful part I have found is that while I am talking with my
boss, conceptualizing a larger solution, that we can IM in real time to
see what their take on the idea would be.

it is not meant to *replace* the newsgroups at all. In fact, if you
come up with a good IM Session, it would be nice to post it on the
newsgroups to share with everyone else. In fact, I could visualize a
hybrid between the two as being a great 'Developer Center'

This wouldn't be for everyone, however, once you get the hang of it, it
is quicker than a phone call, and more convienent than a post.

Interested in giving it a try Jeff? whats to lose?

im*****@gmail.c om
-Kevin



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[Jeff Dillon]

Please answer my original questions. I don't see the benefit.

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It is a different format in which to deal with code issues. I've found
that it "makes the office bigger". --especially while debating issues.
I've been doing this for 2 years, and I have had a lot of success with
it.

The most helpful part I have found is that while I am talking with my
boss, conceptualizing a larger solution, that we can IM in real time to
see what their take on the idea would be.

it is not meant to *replace* the newsgroups at all. In fact, if you
come up with a good IM Session, it would be nice to post it on the
newsgroups to share with everyone else. In fact, I could visualize a
hybrid between the two as being a great 'Developer Center'

This wouldn't be for everyone, however, once you get the hang of it, it
is quicker than a phone call, and more convienent than a post.

Interested in giving it a try Jeff? whats to lose?

im*****@gmail.c om
-Kevin



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[Kevin Gabbert]

Jeff,
to respond in the spirit of which I think you may be asking:

So you IM each one individually if you have a question?
If you so choose. or you can IM the one that you know has the specific
skill(s) you need, just like, in my office, I might ask some programmers
questions about databases, but not others.
When one developer comes up with a solution, do you then IM
the rest with the answer, so everyone gains?

Again, if you so choose, howeever, IM is not the same animal as
newsgroups. It would probably get quite tedious to do that, though you
could.

The gain would be for each person on an immediate, & individual level.
Most people don't publish to large groups of other people using Instant
Messenger.

If you don't see the benefit, that is ok, newsgroups might be a better
format for what you are looking for.

-Kevin
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[Larry Serflaten]

"Kevin Gabbert" <im*****@gmail. com> wrote

So you IM each one individually if you have a question?

If you so choose. or you can IM the one that you know has the specific
skill(s) you need, just like, in my office, I might ask some programmers
questions about databases, but not others.

Isn't that a bother to the guy you ask a question from? I mean it may
take 15 or 20 minutes to answer some of the questions in a newsgroup,
looking up resources, typing up example code, etc (depending on response)

I would think it would be rather distracting. Do you find it somewhat so,
and just out of curiosity, what is your Answers to Questions ratio (approx.)?

LFS

[Lucas Tam]

IM*****@gmail.c om (Kevin) wrote in
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I have about 3 or 4 people already, but it would be really cool to
have a much larger list of people (for all of us to benefit). I have
found it to be an invaluable resource to answer those hard or weird
programming questions that come up.

What's wrong with Usenet?

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[Lucas Tam]

"Larry Serflaten" <se*******@usin ternet.com> wrote in
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Isn't that a bother to the guy you ask a question from? I mean it may
take 15 or 20 minutes to answer some of the questions in a newsgroup,
looking up resources, typing up example code, etc (depending on
response)

I agree... I hate it when people IM me with computer or programming related
questions - it's absolutely distracting. However, with usenet I can reply
at my leisure.
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[Richard Myers]

>

What's wrong with Usenet?

I think the primary problem with Usenet is that its very modern and highly individualised. Theres no
real "community" too it. Someone asks a question;gets what they want and then the thread ends, often
without so much as a thanks, or more importantly an acknowledgement that something did or did not
work.

Now you could argue that it would be a sad indictment on anyones life to be looking for self esteem
by answering question after question in some virtual space from people they have never met. And i'd
be inclined to agree with you.

But its clear that a highly disproportionat e amount of the benefit, in newsgroups such as this,
accrues to those who are the least skilled. I dont wish to sound elitist but i think its an absurd
waste of human captial to have someone who is clearly a paid software professional answering a 101
question about how to read the value of a text box on one form from another.

(Free will aside of course, i realise people make a choice to answer a given post, etc etc; )

So what Kevin is inviting us too join would certainly have some benefit to those who are looking for
a greater sense of community and/or a more even match of skillsets. Its just many of us already have
that amongst our peers/work mates and so subsequently will see little benefit in participating in
the group.

Richard

[Lucas Tam]

"Richard Myers" <fa**@address.c om> wrote in
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What's wrong with Usenet?

I think the primary problem with Usenet is that its very modern and
highly individualised. Theres no real "community" too it. Someone asks
a question;gets what they want and then the thread ends, often without
so much as a thanks, or more importantly an acknowledgement that
something did or did not work.

It's bad netiquette to post a thank you - it's considered a waste of
bandwidth ; )

As for posts without a follow up, you can blame that on websites like
developerdex, groupsrv, maybe even google groups. Too many people post
to these sites without realizing it's usenet and then they never come
back to check their messages. Other people just don't know how to use
their newclients.
But its clear that a highly disproportionat e amount of the benefit, in
newsgroups such as this, accrues to those who are the least skilled. I
dont wish to sound elitist but i think its an absurd waste of human
captial to have someone who is clearly a paid software professional
answering a 101 question about how to read the value of a text box on
one form from another.
That's why someone else will probably respond to those questions.
(Free will aside of course, i realise people make a choice to answer a
given post, etc etc; )
Exactly my point!
So what Kevin is inviting us too join would certainly have some
benefit to those who are looking for a greater sense of community
and/or a more even match of skillsets. Its just many of us already
have that amongst our peers/work mates and so subsequently will see
little benefit in participating in the group.

Maybe a web based message board for advanced programming techniques
maybe a better medium? IM is nice... but it's too hard to involve
multiple people because it is too "real-time" - especially at work when
a lot of people are busy. And what happens when you have a weak link in
your IM group and that person starts messaging everyone? You'll run into
the "match of skillsets" problem you have on Usenet.

I think IM is best suited for a group of close friends or a work
group... but an entire programming community - that maybe a bit of a
stretch.

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