Whidbey Intro video--a few gripes about it and more

[SStory]

I just saw an intro video on Whidbey Alpha from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net/shortcut/0806c.htm.

I am sort of aggravated with Microsoft in that no one can ever become
proficient with your tools because you change them so much with each
version.

The demo said, ASP.NET now has code behind separation files that are just
all in the same file---sounds like to me that that isn't code separation and
is just a return to the same as before--what's so great about that? I though
having just a DLL uploading rather than the code was a good thing.

Then the demo said the datareader would take a backseat to controls of some
sort in ADO.NET

Thank goodness VB.NET has break and continue suppor and a few goodies.

It now has "Code snippets' so you can copy and paste code or paste your
corporations standard code. We had something similar to that in my college
days---it was called code reuse through functions/dll's or classes. Pasting
routines the same in 100's or locations is a dumb way of enforcing company
policy in my opinion. If you need to change the code policy--you have to do
so in lots of placed instead of one.

There seems to be some nutty philosophy at Microsoft that says, "Hey people
like to buy a new computer, new operating system, new office(oh that is
changed big time--needed or not and a lot more bloated), new development
environment and language which changes every few years!

Give me a break! Maybe Linux is starting to look a lot better.. I know it
is a pain to learn and all but at least when you learn it you don't have to
relearn it every year and all of its applications. For me Office 97 still
does more than I need.

How about improving without such drastic changes?

How about trimming the FAT in some of these applications. The faster my
computer gets, the slower it runs because Microsoft apps always seem to be
fat fat apps that suck up all space and the computer drags on...

I like VB and Microsoft does some nice stuff, but seriously, who can ever
get good at anything with it all changing so drastically and so frequently
and one has to begin to ask why? Maybe we should invest our brains in
learning and getting proficient and languages and such that don't just
change with a whim.

Sorry, just felt I had to get this off my chest....

Wondering if anyone else out there feels similar. Maybe Whidbey is great and
the demo just portrayed it as drastically changing the world again... but if
not...I'm really getting tired of this sort of bull.

thanks,

Shane

[Brian Henry]

I think you're misunderstandin g a lot of the stuff you've seen. Almost
everything works how it did in the past, they just added new features to
also do things other ways too if you perfer... remember choice is best
"SStory" <Th*******@TAKE OUTTHISSPAMBUST ERsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:ux******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

I just saw an intro video on Whidbey Alpha from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net/shortcut/0806c.htm.

I am sort of aggravated with Microsoft in that no one can ever become
proficient with your tools because you change them so much with each
version.

The demo said, ASP.NET now has code behind separation files that are just
all in the same file---sounds like to me that that isn't code separation and is just a return to the same as before--what's so great about that? I though having just a DLL uploading rather than the code was a good thing.

Then the demo said the datareader would take a backseat to controls of some sort in ADO.NET

Thank goodness VB.NET has break and continue suppor and a few goodies.

It now has "Code snippets' so you can copy and paste code or paste your
corporations standard code. We had something similar to that in my college days---it was called code reuse through functions/dll's or classes. Pasting routines the same in 100's or locations is a dumb way of enforcing company
policy in my opinion. If you need to change the code policy--you have to do so in lots of placed instead of one.

There seems to be some nutty philosophy at Microsoft that says, "Hey people like to buy a new computer, new operating system, new office(oh that is
changed big time--needed or not and a lot more bloated), new development
environment and language which changes every few years!

Give me a break! Maybe Linux is starting to look a lot better.. I know it
is a pain to learn and all but at least when you learn it you don't have to relearn it every year and all of its applications. For me Office 97 still
does more than I need.

How about improving without such drastic changes?

How about trimming the FAT in some of these applications. The faster my
computer gets, the slower it runs because Microsoft apps always seem to be
fat fat apps that suck up all space and the computer drags on...

I like VB and Microsoft does some nice stuff, but seriously, who can ever
get good at anything with it all changing so drastically and so frequently
and one has to begin to ask why? Maybe we should invest our brains in
learning and getting proficient and languages and such that don't just
change with a whim.

Sorry, just felt I had to get this off my chest....

Wondering if anyone else out there feels similar. Maybe Whidbey is great and the demo just portrayed it as drastically changing the world again... but if not...I'm really getting tired of this sort of bull.

thanks,

Shane

[SStory]

I sure hope you are right... I am real tired of learning so much new stuff
to just produce windows programs...and when I get good at one thing seems it
is canned for something else. And installing 1gb applications especially
like the new office is said to be is pretty absurd to me.

Thanks for the response.

Shane
"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:O8******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

I think you're misunderstandin g a lot of the stuff you've seen. Almost
everything works how it did in the past, they just added new features to
also do things other ways too if you perfer... remember choice is best
"SStory" <Th*******@TAKE OUTTHISSPAMBUST ERsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:ux******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

I just saw an intro video on Whidbey Alpha from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net/shortcut/0806c.htm.

I am sort of aggravated with Microsoft in that no one can ever become
proficient with your tools because you change them so much with each
version.

The demo said, ASP.NET now has code behind separation files that are just all in the same file---sounds like to me that that isn't code separation and

is just a return to the same as before--what's so great about that? I

though

having just a DLL uploading rather than the code was a good thing.

Then the demo said the datareader would take a backseat to controls of

some

sort in ADO.NET

Thank goodness VB.NET has break and continue suppor and a few goodies.

It now has "Code snippets' so you can copy and paste code or paste your
corporations standard code. We had something similar to that in my

college

days---it was called code reuse through functions/dll's or classes.

Pasting

routines the same in 100's or locations is a dumb way of enforcing company policy in my opinion. If you need to change the code policy--you have to

do

so in lots of placed instead of one.

There seems to be some nutty philosophy at Microsoft that says, "Hey

people

like to buy a new computer, new operating system, new office(oh that is
changed big time--needed or not and a lot more bloated), new development
environment and language which changes every few years!

Give me a break! Maybe Linux is starting to look a lot better.. I know it is a pain to learn and all but at least when you learn it you don't have

to

relearn it every year and all of its applications. For me Office 97 still does more than I need.

How about improving without such drastic changes?

How about trimming the FAT in some of these applications. The faster my
computer gets, the slower it runs because Microsoft apps always seem to be fat fat apps that suck up all space and the computer drags on...

I like VB and Microsoft does some nice stuff, but seriously, who can ever get good at anything with it all changing so drastically and so frequently and one has to begin to ask why? Maybe we should invest our brains in
learning and getting proficient and languages and such that don't just
change with a whim.

Sorry, just felt I had to get this off my chest....

Wondering if anyone else out there feels similar. Maybe Whidbey is great

and

the demo just portrayed it as drastically changing the world again...

but if

not...I'm really getting tired of this sort of bull.

thanks,

Shane

[Brian Henry]

oh programming in linux can be even more confuiseing then in windows...
especially with constantly changieng lib's and GTK usage and now mono is
there... *LOL* so change is pretty much big across the board of OS's right
now... no ones really calmed down yet in terms of changeing features
constantly... but VS 2005 doesnt really change stuff it just adds additional
features ontop of what is already there, some of which are more optimized if
you want things to work faster you can use them instead of the older ones
"SStory" <Th*******@TAKE OUTTHISSPAMBUST ERsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:er******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

I sure hope you are right... I am real tired of learning so much new stuff
to just produce windows programs...and when I get good at one thing seems it is canned for something else. And installing 1gb applications especially
like the new office is said to be is pretty absurd to me.

Thanks for the response.

Shane
"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:O8******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

I think you're misunderstandin g a lot of the stuff you've seen. Almost
everything works how it did in the past, they just added new features to
also do things other ways too if you perfer... remember choice is best
"SStory" <Th*******@TAKE OUTTHISSPAMBUST ERsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:ux******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

I just saw an intro video on Whidbey Alpha from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net/shortcut/0806c.htm.

I am sort of aggravated with Microsoft in that no one can ever become
proficient with your tools because you change them so much with each
version.

The demo said, ASP.NET now has code behind separation files that are just all in the same file---sounds like to me that that isn't code separation

and

is just a return to the same as before--what's so great about that? I though

having just a DLL uploading rather than the code was a good thing.

Then the demo said the datareader would take a backseat to controls of

some

sort in ADO.NET

Thank goodness VB.NET has break and continue suppor and a few goodies.

It now has "Code snippets' so you can copy and paste code or paste

your corporations standard code. We had something similar to that in my

college

days---it was called code reuse through functions/dll's or classes.

Pasting

routines the same in 100's or locations is a dumb way of enforcing company policy in my opinion. If you need to change the code policy--you have to do

so in lots of placed instead of one.

There seems to be some nutty philosophy at Microsoft that says, "Hey

people

like to buy a new computer, new operating system, new office(oh that

is changed big time--needed or not and a lot more bloated), new development environment and language which changes every few years!

Give me a break! Maybe Linux is starting to look a lot better.. I know it is a pain to learn and all but at least when you learn it you don't

have

to

relearn it every year and all of its applications. For me Office 97 still does more than I need.

How about improving without such drastic changes?

How about trimming the FAT in some of these applications. The faster

my computer gets, the slower it runs because Microsoft apps always seem

to be fat fat apps that suck up all space and the computer drags on...

I like VB and Microsoft does some nice stuff, but seriously, who can ever get good at anything with it all changing so drastically and so frequently and one has to begin to ask why? Maybe we should invest our brains in
learning and getting proficient and languages and such that don't just
change with a whim.

Sorry, just felt I had to get this off my chest....

Wondering if anyone else out there feels similar. Maybe Whidbey is

great and

the demo just portrayed it as drastically changing the world again...

but

if

not...I'm really getting tired of this sort of bull.

thanks,

Shane