Announcing PyCs, a new Python-like language on .Net

[Mark Hahn]

This is an announcement of the beginning of development of a new
Python-like language called PyCs (pronounced "pie-cees"). Like IronPython,
PyCs will be Python on .Net but it will have more advanced features and
probably have higher performance due to a Psyco-like implementation
technique. See http://pycs.org.

PyCs is a fusion of Python and C#. It is the first Python-like dynamic
language with all the capabilities of C# including the capabilities of the
research language C-Omega (http://research.microsoft.com/Comega/) including
the X# language features
(http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Egmb/Paper...a-xml2003.html) that embed
XML/SQL support directly in the language. At the same time PyCs keeps all
the advantages of the Python language and the Python way.

PyCs will not be source compatible with either C# or Python but code could
be ported from either one easily.

PyCs is being developed by Mark Hahn who developed Prothon and PyCs grew
out of the initial efforts to port Prothon to .Net. For an explanation of
why the Prothon port to .Net turned into a whole new language, see
http://prothon.org/pycsnews.htm.

PyCs is just now starting development and will be developed using the same
XP-like language design process used to develop Prothon. This process will
use the PyCs mailing list to design the language where Mark acts as
moderator and implements the language in real-time as the ideas are worked
out. He will be working on PyCs full-time and drive the development just as
he did with Prothon.

Please join the PyCs team. The only effort involved is particpating in a
low-traffic, high-content, mailing list. You will be able to influence the
design of the latest and greatest dynamic language.

-- Mark Hahn, http://pycs.org

[Erik Max Francis]

Mark Hahn wrote:

This is an announcement of the beginning of development of a new
Python-like language called PyCs (pronounced "pie-cees"). Like
IronPython,
PyCs will be Python on .Net but it will have more advanced features
and
probably have higher performance due to a Psyco-like implementation
technique. See http://pycs.org.

Here we go again ...

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[David Pokorny]

WARNING: unfair stab coming.

"Mark Hahn" <ma**@prothon.o rg> wrote in message
news:mailman.25 72.1093751093.5 135.python- XP-like > low-traffic,
high-content, mailing list. You will be able to influence the

design of the latest and greatest dynamic language.

I'm resisting the urge to compare programming languages to women... or wine.
If we were living about 40 years ago, "ideal societies" a.k.a. hippie
communes might get thrown in this list.

David

[Tom B.]

"Mark Hahn" <ma**@prothon.o rg> wrote in message
news:ma******** *************** *************** @python.org...

This is an announcement of the beginning of development of a new
Python-like language called PyCs (pronounced "pie-cees"). Like IronPython,
PyCs will be Python on .Net but it will have more advanced features and
probably have higher performance due to a Psyco-like implementation
technique. See http://pycs.org.

PyCs is a fusion of Python and C#. It is the first Python-like dynamic
language with all the capabilities of C# including the capabilities of the
research language C-Omega (http://research.microsoft.com/Comega/) including the X# language features
(http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Egmb/Paper...a-xml2003.html) that embed
XML/SQL support directly in the language. At the same time PyCs keeps all
the advantages of the Python language and the Python way.

PyCs will not be source compatible with either C# or Python but code could
be ported from either one easily.

PyCs is being developed by Mark Hahn who developed Prothon and PyCs grew
out of the initial efforts to port Prothon to .Net. For an explanation of
why the Prothon port to .Net turned into a whole new language, see
http://prothon.org/pycsnews.htm.

PyCs is just now starting development and will be developed using the same
XP-like language design process used to develop Prothon. This process will
use the PyCs mailing list to design the language where Mark acts as
moderator and implements the language in real-time as the ideas are worked
out. He will be working on PyCs full-time and drive the development just as he did with Prothon.

Please join the PyCs team. The only effort involved is particpating in a
low-traffic, high-content, mailing list. You will be able to influence the design of the latest and greatest dynamic language.

-- Mark Hahn, http://pycs.org

Python already does all the things that M*soft has tacked on in a kludgy
way, in a beautiful pythonic way. I have been using windows based machines
for a long time and in the language department (as well as others) M*soft
has been superceded by the open source community.

Tom

[Peter Kleiweg]

Tom B. schreef:

"Mark Hahn" <ma**@prothon.o rg> wrote in message
news:ma******** *************** *************** @python.org...

Please join the PyCs team. The only effort involved is particpating in a
low-traffic, high-content, mailing list. You will be able to influence

the

design of the latest and greatest dynamic language.

-- Mark Hahn, http://pycs.org

Python already does all the things that M*soft has tacked on in a kludgy
way, in a beautiful pythonic way. I have been using windows based machines
for a long time and in the language department (as well as others) M*soft
has been superceded by the open source community.

Is there a real danger that MS will make its own version of
Python, pushing it into the market, and we end up with a
dominant version that only works with MS software?

--
Peter Kleiweg L:NL,af,da,de,e n,ia,nds,no,sv, (fr,it) S:NL,de,en,(da, ia)
info: http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg/ls.html

The Halloween Documents: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

[Tom B.]

"Peter Kleiweg" <in************ *@nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:Pi******** *************** **************@ kleigh.nl...

Tom B. schreef:

"Mark Hahn" <ma**@prothon.o rg> wrote in message
news:ma******** *************** *************** @python.org...

Please join the PyCs team. The only effort involved is particpating in a low-traffic, high-content, mailing list. You will be able to

influence the

design of the latest and greatest dynamic language.

-- Mark Hahn, http://pycs.org

Python already does all the things that M*soft has tacked on in a kludgy
way, in a beautiful pythonic way. I have been using windows based machines for a long time and in the language department (as well as others) M*soft has been superceded by the open source community.

Is there a real danger that MS will make its own version of
Python, pushing it into the market, and we end up with a
dominant version that only works with MS software?

--
Peter Kleiweg L:NL,af,da,de,e n,ia,nds,no,sv, (fr,it) S:NL,de,en,(da, ia)
info: http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg/ls.html

The Halloween Documents: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

What M*soft should do is build libraries like the Speech Development Kit and
Direct X into open source modules for Python. This way they are not trying
to destroy open source but to join with it.

Tom

[Peter Kleiweg]

Tom B. schreef:

Is there a real danger that MS will make its own version of
Python, pushing it into the market, and we end up with a
dominant version that only works with MS software?

--
Peter Kleiweg L:NL,af,da,de,e n,ia,nds,no,sv, (fr,it) S:NL,de,en,(da, ia)
info: http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg/ls.html

The Halloween Documents: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

What M*soft should do is build libraries like the Speech Development Kit and
Direct X into open source modules for Python. This way they are not trying
to destroy open source but to join with it.

That is not in the interest of MS. Have you read the Halloween Documents?
--
Peter Kleiweg L:NL,af,da,de,e n,ia,nds,no,sv, (fr,it) S:NL,de,en,(da, ia)
info: http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg/ls.html

[Doug Holton]

Is there a real danger that MS will make its own version of
Python, pushing it into the market, and we end up with a
dominant version that only works with MS software?

No, I don't think so. They already have Visual Basic for that. They
are making their own version of Python (IronPython), but it will work
with .NET or Mono (an open source clone of Microsoft's .NET framework).

And there are two other python-like languages now under development that
will also target Mono as well as .NET: PyCs and boo.

What M*soft should do is build libraries like the Speech Development Kit and
Direct X into open source modules for Python. This way they are not trying
to destroy open source but to join with it.

Yeah, that's the area I see Microsoft stuff still having an advantage,
with libraries like DirectX, text to speech, force feedback, etc. But
you can access Microsoft's libraries from Python, see:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/uncassist
The problem is that then your application will only run on Windows
unless you can get it to work with Wine: http://www.winehq.org/

An advantage of IronPython/PyCs/boo is that they would make accessing
libraries like DirectX much much easier. You'll be able to access them
the same way you would from Visual Basic or C#. But a more
cross-platform compatible way would be to use OpenGL (pyopengl or csgl
if you are using .net) or SDL (pygame or sdl.net) instead of DirectX.

[Brian Almond]

Erik Max Francis <ma*@alcyone.co m> wrote in message news:<41******* ********@alcyon e.com>...

Mark Hahn wrote:

This is an announcement of the beginning of development of a new
Python-like language called PyCs (pronounced "pie-cees"). Like
IronPython,
PyCs will be Python on .Net but it will have more advanced features
and
probably have higher performance due to a Psyco-like implementation
technique. See http://pycs.org.

Here we go again ...

Is it time for an "interventi on" yet? :)

Still, I'm curious to see where this goes, although I hope this
project doesn't generate a large amount of OT threads on c.l.py.

[David M. Wilson]

Mark Hahn <ma**@prothon.o rg> wrote in message news:<ma******* *************** *************** *@python.org>.. .

Please join the PyCs team. The only effort involved is particpating in a
low-traffic, high-content, mailing list. You will be able to influence the
design of the latest and greatest dynamic language.

Hi there. What are you trying to achieve? You have yet to complete
Prothon or even stabilise it for long enough to let me get a good
overview of it. Might I suggest you take a step back and actually
think about what you are doing rather than just implementing whatever
happens to be considered cool today.

Also judging by what I've seen of Prothon and read here, neither of
your proposed languages are either Python-like or related to this
group.

Might I suggest you sit down with a paper and a pen and work out what
problem you are actually trying to solve, it is starting to get rather
embarrassing to watch the antics here. At the very least could you
spell check your postings before sending them.

There are also much better forums to discuss language development on
than comp.lang.pytho n. Sorry for the flame, but you really need it.
David.