GPL and issues with PHP applications

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest
that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add,
the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.

So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer
class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial
applications. So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal
experiences? TIA.

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[Manuel Lemos]

Hello,

On 07/15/2004 05:20 AM, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest
that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add,
the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.

So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer
class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial
applications. So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal
experiences? TIA.

That's correct. If you use a package that is license only as GPL you
only link it (call it if you prefer) with other GPL software. You may
still sell your software as GPL but I suppose that you do not want to
open the source of your commercial application.
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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Manuel Lemos <ml****@acm.org > wrote in message news:<2l******* *****@uni-berlin.de>...

Hello,

On 07/15/2004 05:20 AM, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest
that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add,
the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.

So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer
class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial
applications. So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal
experiences? TIA.

That's correct. If you use a package that is license only as GPL you
only link it (call it if you prefer) with other GPL software. You may
still sell your software as GPL but I suppose that you do not want to
open the source of your commercial application.

Thanks indeed, for your comments. I really wonder what other PHP
saints would do in those situations.

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[Aidan]

Look into the socket functions of PHP and create some POP/IMAP/SMTP
object with them... thats what I'd do...
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

Manuel Lemos <ml****@acm.org > wrote in message news:<2l******* *****@uni-berlin.de>...

Hello,

On 07/15/2004 05:20 AM, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest
that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add,
the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.

So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer
class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial
applications . So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal
experience s? TIA.

That's correct. If you use a package that is license only as GPL you
only link it (call it if you prefer) with other GPL software. You may
still sell your software as GPL but I suppose that you do not want to
open the source of your commercial application.

Thanks indeed, for your comments. I really wonder what other PHP
saints would do in those situations.

[CJ Llewellyn]

"Manuel Lemos" <ml****@acm.org > wrote in message
news:2l******** ****@uni-berlin.de...

Hello,

On 07/15/2004 05:20 AM, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest
that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add,
the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.

So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer
class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial
applications. So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal
experiences? TIA.

That's correct. If you use a package that is license only as GPL you
only link it (call it if you prefer) with other GPL software. You may
still sell your software as GPL but I suppose that you do not want to
open the source of your commercial application.

No, any GPL code you use in your program remains GPL'd, you cannot change
the licence. If you change the GPL'd code then you must release the changes
as GPL.

Nobody can force you to adopt a specific licence for code you have written,
but they can enforce the terms and conditions of modifying their own code.

As long as you keep the GPL code seperate from your own code, i.e. in a
different folder then using it with your application shouldn't be a problem.

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

"CJ Llewellyn" <sa****@tmslife line.com> wrote in message news:<cd******* ***@slavica.ukp ost.com>...

"Manuel Lemos" <ml****@acm.org > wrote in message
news:2l******** ****@uni-berlin.de...

Hello,

On 07/15/2004 05:20 AM, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest
that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add,
the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.

So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer
class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial
applications. So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal
experiences? TIA.

That's correct. If you use a package that is license only as GPL you
only link it (call it if you prefer) with other GPL software. You may
still sell your software as GPL but I suppose that you do not want to
open the source of your commercial application.

No, any GPL code you use in your program remains GPL'd, you cannot change
the licence. If you change the GPL'd code then you must release the changes
as GPL.

Nobody can force you to adopt a specific licence for code you have written,
but they can enforce the terms and conditions of modifying their own code.

As long as you keep the GPL code seperate from your own code, i.e. in a
different folder then using it with your application shouldn't be a problem.

This idea is completely new to me. I couldn't find any source
that is related to your views. So, is it ok to use GPLed codes with
any other licensed codes? Could you cite any source to vouch your
views (please)? Also, is there anyone who share this idea? TIA

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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Aidan <no**********@l inknet.com.au> wrote in message news:<ne******* *************@t itan.linknet.co m.au>...

Look into the socket functions of PHP and create some POP/IMAP/SMTP
object with them... thats what I'd do...

True, we can write our own functions. But, my question is: can't we
use any GPLed codes with in our applications without
changing/affecting our license model?

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[CJ Llewellyn]

"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng**********@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
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"CJ Llewellyn" <sa****@tmslife line.com> wrote in message news:<cd******* ***@slavica.ukp ost.com>...

"Manuel Lemos" <ml****@acm.org > wrote in message
news:2l******** ****@uni-berlin.de...

Hello,

On 07/15/2004 05:20 AM, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
> I could see lot of noise against GPL. INAL, but many articles suggest > that we cannot add GPLed software with commercial software; if we add, > the commercial software will automatically become GPLed.
>
> So, I would like to know, if the license issue affected your
> business/PHP coding work. For example, you can't simply add PHPMailer > class <http://phpmailer.sourc eforge.net/>, with any of your commercial > applications. So, what would you do in that case? or Any such personal > experiences? TIA.

That's correct. If you use a package that is license only as GPL you
only link it (call it if you prefer) with other GPL software. You may
still sell your software as GPL but I suppose that you do not want to
open the source of your commercial application.

No, any GPL code you use in your program remains GPL'd, you cannot change the licence. If you change the GPL'd code then you must release the changes as GPL.

Nobody can force you to adopt a specific licence for code you have written, but they can enforce the terms and conditions of modifying their own code.
As long as you keep the GPL code seperate from your own code, i.e. in a
different folder then using it with your application shouldn't be a

problem.
This idea is completely new to me. I couldn't find any source
that is related to your views. So, is it ok to use GPLed codes with
any other licensed codes? Could you cite any source to vouch your
views (please)? Also, is there anyone who share this idea? TIA

Well reading the FAQs would be a good start. You'll notice that they refer
to the GPL programs you obtain or write, not code you've written under
private copyright.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq....prietarySystem

States

"However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software
alongside your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure
that the free and non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they
are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single
program."

i.e you keep them at arms length then it's ok.

[Marian Heddesheimer]

On 18 Jul 2004 23:13:42 -0700, ng**********@re diffmail.com (R. Rajesh
Jeba Anbiah) wrote:

True, we can write our own functions. But, my question is: can't we
use any GPLed codes with in our applications without
changing/affecting our license model?

That's correct, you can't use the code without affecting your licencse
if it's not already GPL

Regards

Marian
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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

"CJ Llewellyn" <sa****@tmslife line.com> wrote in message news:<cd******* ***@slavica.ukp ost.com>...
<snip>

This idea is completely new to me. I couldn't find any source
that is related to your views. So, is it ok to use GPLed codes with
any other licensed codes? Could you cite any source to vouch your
views (please)? Also, is there anyone who share this idea? TIA

Well reading the FAQs would be a good start. You'll notice that they refer
to the GPL programs you obtain or write, not code you've written under
private copyright.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq....prietarySystem

States

"However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software
alongside your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure
that the free and non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they
are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single
program."

i.e you keep them at arms length then it's ok.

But, I couldn't understand how can we use it without mixing both
the codes. Also the other paragraphs suggest that the codes cannot be
mixed.

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