Guys, I see a fair bit of negativity around re subject package. Can
someone share your views, either way?
Thanks,
AS
Feb 15 '08
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Gregor Kofler wrote:
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn meinte:
>John Resig wrote:
[snip]
I doubt that he is reading this reply...
When others do a foolish thing you should tell them it is a foolish thing.
They can still continue to do it, but at least the truth is where it needs
to be.
-- Dukhat (from: "Babylon 5" - "Atonement" )
Regards,
PointedEars
Gregor Kofler wrote:
David Mark meinte:
>>Well, since he is a self-proclaimed "JavaScript evangelist" (as a
LOL. I haven't heard that one before.
Here:
http://ejohn.org/about/
Since he is the "JavaScript Evangelist for the Mozilla Corporation" I
should reconsider my using of Firefox... But then: Perhaps he's just the
professional guinea pig for debugging add-ons like FireBug.
I didn't get the last one. Firebug (no caps in between) was conceived
and is continued to be developed by Joe Hewitt, who appears to me to be
a !(John Resig) regarding his approach at Web software development. At
least I found my Firebug beta test comments very well received.
PointedEars
--
var bugRiddenCrashP ronePieceOfJunk = (
navigator.userA gent.indexOf('M SIE 5') != -1
&& navigator.userA gent.indexOf('M ac') != -1
) // Plone, register_functi on.js:16
On Feb 19, 1:19 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...@ gmail.comwrote:
I had to close two error alerts in IE just to navigate to this post in
Google Groups.
You should have saved your time and not bothered.
Matt Kruse
On Feb 19, 2:43*pm, Matt Kruse <m...@mattkruse .comwrote:
On Feb 19, 1:19 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...@ gmail.comwrote:
I had to close two error alerts in IE just to navigate to this post in
Google Groups.
You should have saved your time and not bothered.
You could have saved me considerable time by not replying in the first
place. The world didn't need a rehash of the original re-tread. We
had this same discussion three months ago.
Dag Sunde wrote on 19 feb 2008 in comp.lang.javas cript:
"Richard Cornford" <Ri*****@litote s.demon.co.ukwr ote in message
>It would be unfortunate for anyone to fall victim to the delusion that a
statement could be worth more, more true or more significant as a
consequence of who made it.
Then it is unfortunate indeed!
But a statement is worth more to ME
if made by someone whose judgement I value,
but that does not go sofar
as to trust the statement in a scientific sense.
Doubt is the basis of science.
Therefore "proving" an argument by just quoting someone,
even if it is an "authority" , should be distrusted.
Technology should be based on science.
Programming is a technology.
Playing/working with javascript is a form of programming.
So distrusting proof by authority is a healthy habit also in javascript.
Modern society and its power-structures are buildt on the delusion that a
statement *is* worth more, more true or more significant depending on who
made it.
I do not hold this building for true, as per the above reasons, Dag.
--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
David Mark wrote:
<snip>
Crockford is one of the leading experts on JavaScript.
Other than Richard Cornford, I am not familiar with
any bigger authorities on the language.
<snip>
Martin Honnen? For experience and technical knowledge Martin is pretty had
to beat.
As worded that has the implication that I may be bigger authority on
javascript than Douglas Crockford. I am not very comfortable with that idea.
Partly because I am not very comfortable with the idea of authority at all;
nobody's ideas are worth any more, or any less, than the reasoning behind
them. But mostly because Douglas Crockford was genuinely an expert when I
was a complete novice and making all the amateurish mistakes that are
expected of novices.
I learnt a huge amount from Douglas Crockford as a result of our exchanges
on this group, and even more as a direct result of reading his articles and
code. It is the case, for example, that I maybe would never have pursued
closures were it not for Douglas Crockford's method for creating private
members of javascript object instances (because that more OO employment of
closures had more concrete appeal at the time for a former Java programmer
than Yann-Erwan Perio's fascinating functional programming examples).
It is difficult to understate the significance of JSON. Javascript's object
notation sat under our noses for years but it took a genius to notice that a
subset of it could be directly interchangeable with XML but more efficient,
and that genius was Douglas Crockford. JSON is here to stay, and if
inventing it were his only legacy that alone would be a significant
accolade. But if you look at every significant change in the way javascript
is coded that has happened over the last half decade or so a line of
influences traced back might branch and spider along the way but sooner or
later it would link to Douglas Crockford.
Richard.
On Feb 19, 8:31*pm, "Richard Cornford" <Rich...@litote s.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
David Mark wrote:
<snip>Crockfo rd is one of the leading experts on JavaScript.
Other than Richard Cornford, I am not familiar with
any bigger authorities on the language.
<snip>
Martin Honnen? For experience and technical knowledge Martin is pretty had
to beat.
Yes, he always seems to know what he is talking about. And how could
I have left out Jim Ley? Then again, perhaps he is more known for
cross-browser scripting expertise (like PPK.) He got me off browser
sniffing many years back (yes, I once thought the user agent string
was source of relevant information.) What ever happened to him?
>
As worded that has the implication that I may be bigger authority on
javascript than Douglas Crockford. I am not very comfortable with that idea.
I didn't really mean to imply that. But isn't his famed "module
pattern" something you came up with first?
Partly because I am not very comfortable with the idea of authority at all;
nobody's ideas are worth any more, or any less, than the reasoning behind
them. But mostly because Douglas Crockford was genuinely an expert when I
was a complete novice and making all the amateurish mistakes that are
expected of novices.
I learnt a huge amount from Douglas Crockford as a result of our exchanges
on this group, and even more as a direct result of reading his articles and
code. It is the case, for example, that I maybe would never have pursued
closures were it not for Douglas Crockford's method for creating private
members of javascript object instances (because that more OO employment of
closures had more concrete appeal at the time for a former Java programmer
than Yann-Erwan Perio's fascinating functional programming examples).
I had barely heard of them a year or so back. It was your article on
the subject that changed the way I write script. The various demos on
your site are what led me to use one-off feature detection/testing. I
don't know how I got by for so many years without that pattern. It
goes to show that it doesn't take a lifetime to learn advanced browser
scripting techniques if you choose the examples you follow carefully.
On the other hand, there are so many poor sources of information on
JavaScript out there that it is very easy to get lost forever.
>
It is difficult to understate the significance of JSON. Javascript's object
notation sat under our noses for years but it took a genius to notice thata
subset of it could be directly interchangeable with XML but more efficient,
and that genius was Douglas Crockford. JSON is here to stay, and if
inventing it were his only legacy that alone would be a significant
accolade. But if you look at every significant change in the way javascript
is coded that has happened over the last half decade or so a line of
influences traced back might branch and spider along the way but sooner or
later it would link to Douglas Crockford.
I imagine so. I use one of his programs (JSLint) to "supervise" my
own code. It is quite humbling when somebody else's *code* knows more
about JavaScript than you do! Lately it only catches typos, but there
was a time when it would inform me of all sorts of issues that I was
otherwise unaware of. If I ran some of my 90's code through it, it
would probably tell me to find a new career.
David Mark said the following on 2/19/2008 9:50 PM:
On Feb 19, 8:31 pm, "Richard Cornford" <Rich...@litote s.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>David Mark wrote:
<snip>Crockfor d is one of the leading experts on JavaScript.
>>Other than Richard Cornford, I am not familiar with
any bigger authorities on the language.
<snip>
Martin Honnen? For experience and technical knowledge Martin is pretty had
to beat.
Yes, he always seems to know what he is talking about. And how could
I have left out Jim Ley? Then again, perhaps he is more known for
cross-browser scripting expertise (like PPK.) He got me off browser
sniffing many years back (yes, I once thought the user agent string
was source of relevant information.) What ever happened to him?
He (Jim) is still around, you just don't see him much anymore.
--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/
David Mark <dm***********@ gmail.comwrites :
>
Crockford is one of the leading experts on JavaScript. Other than
Richard Cornford, I am not familiar with any bigger authorities on the
language.
In my early JavaScript coding days, I found out about Matt Kruse's
Knowledge Database
<URL: http://www.javascriptt oolbox.com/search/>, which is
basically just a re-dispatch of queries to google "web" and google
groups.
I spotted the "trusted" names on the query in the lower frame
(type, for example -niark niark- "Prototype. js" in the input field, to
perform a query) and raised their score in my Gnus client.
The posts of those people turned out to be, at least, most reliable!
Best,
A.
Arnaud Diederen (aundro) said the following on 2/20/2008 5:40 AM:
David Mark <dm***********@ gmail.comwrites :
>Crockford is one of the leading experts on JavaScript. Other than
Richard Cornford, I am not familiar with any bigger authorities on the
language.
In my early JavaScript coding days, I found out about Matt Kruse's
Knowledge Database
<URL: http://www.javascriptt oolbox.com/search/>, which is
basically just a re-dispatch of queries to google "web" and google
groups.
I spotted the "trusted" names on the query in the lower frame
(type, for example -niark niark- "Prototype. js" in the input field, to
perform a query) and raised their score in my Gnus client.
The posts of those people turned out to be, at least, most reliable!
Matt, if you are reading this, a search on that page for the simple
phrase "prototype. js" turns up zero hits in Usenet. It should find at
least some as I know that I have used prototype.js in posts as an
author. If I do a manual search in Google Groups for it, then I find it.
Phrase: prototype.js
Group: comp.lang.javas cript
Author: Randy Webb
Your site gives me zero hits, a manual search gives me 88 results.
--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html
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