Guys, I see a fair bit of negativity around re subject package. Can
someone share your views, either way?
Thanks,
AS
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David Mark said the following on 2/15/2008 10:42 PM:
<snip>
The average Web developer can achieve lousy results on
their own, so what is the benefit of adding 100K of
third-party incompetence to the mix?
Incompetence and peer pressure. Not knowing better and because
"everybody" is using it.
--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/
On Feb 16, 12:50*am, Randy Webb <HikksNotAtH... @aol.comwrote:
David Mark said the following on 2/15/2008 10:42 PM:
<snip>
The average Web developer can achieve lousy results on
their own, so what is the benefit of adding 100K of
third-party incompetence to the mix?
Incompetence and peer pressure. Not knowing better and because
"everybody" is using it.
It sometimes seems like "everybody" is doing it. What I can't
understand is why huge corporations would put their faith in trash
like Prototripe/Craptaculous (typically to add a few nifty fade
effects.) Can't they afford to pay competent developers? On the
server side, most appear to believe that .NET is the answer. If so,
what was the question?
From what I have read about IE8 (specifically the new versioning meta
tag), all of the libraries that rely on IE-sniffing are in for a rude
awakening. Will the authors finally see the folly of their ways or
will they add more branching based on the content of the meta tag?
On Feb 15, 1:53 pm, ashore <shor...@gmail. comwrote:
Guys, I see a fair bit of negativity around re subject package. Can
someone share your views, either way?
<FAQENTRY>
Shouldn't something about Prototype be in the FAQ? It comes up very
frequently.
Peter
On Feb 16, 1:23*am, Peter Michaux <petermich...@g mail.comwrote:
On Feb 15, 1:53 pm, ashore <shor...@gmail. comwrote:
Guys, I see a fair bit of negativity around re subject package. *Can
someone share your views, either way?
<FAQENTRY>
Shouldn't something about Prototype be in the FAQ? It comes up very
frequently.
Peter
I propose a two word entry: mostly harmful.
And for jQuery: completely worthless.
>>An FAQ Entry should be unbiased and informative...
Now that's a provocative idea!
On Feb 16, 11:29 am, timothytoe <timothy...@gma il.comwrote:
Until a clj Nazi codes a "correct" library with the capabilities of
jQuery or Prototype or YUI, those libraries will be continue to be
used to make websites. And probably to an acccelerating degree.
<snip blah>
And don't underestimate the impact of these libraries
They do damage. They do this by relying on browser bugs, sniffing the
userAgent, and then patching it with a hack. What happens if the
browser is to fix the bug? Chris Wilson takes about IE trying to "not
break the web".
<snip blah>
On Feb 16, 1:32 pm, dhtml <dhtmlkitc...@g mail.comwrote:
On Feb 16, 11:29 am, timothytoe <timothy...@gma il.comwrote:Unt il a clj Nazi codes a "correct" library with the capabilities of
jQuery or Prototype or YUI, those libraries will be continue to be
used to make websites. And probably to an acccelerating degree.
<snip blah>
And don't underestimate the impact of these libraries
They do damage. They do this by relying on browser bugs, sniffing the
userAgent, and then patching it with a hack. What happens if the
browser is to fix the bug? Chris Wilson takes about IE trying to "not
break the web".
That right there is the most solid argument I've seen against hacking.
That is worth having in your sig line.
Peter
>>The contributors to this group have solid arguments why Prototype has
problems. Those would need to be pointed out or the FAQ answer would
not encapsulate the general opinions of the contributors. That is
really what the FAQ is for: to reduce typing the same thing over and
over again. If that is "biased" then the entry should be biased.
It would be incredibly disappointing to me if the clj FAQ Entry for
Prototype failed to condense the supreme rage that occurs when that
library is mentioned into a hellishly hot and nasty black hole of snot.
Perhaps the library writers could be more easily convinced to see
things the correct way if insults were not the default form of
greeting on clj.
Or is the entertainment value of belittling them more valuable than
actually trying to convince them that you are correct?
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