CSS - IE/Firefox problem - element height

[matt]

hello,

i am experiencing a little problem w/ regards to IE & Firefox
compatibility (works as expected in firefox, doesnt in IE).

i have a container-div element, which contains 1 image, and 2 nested
div elements. the problem is, in IE the height of the container-div is
extended -- it makes itself as high as *all* elements w/i in, rather
than the fixed-height i have assigned in px.

easier to show. here is a dummied-down demo of the problem:

http://www.semi-suave.com/temp/temp.html
http://www.semi-suave.com/temp/css/profile.css
and here is an image of what IE is doing to my height:

http://www.semi-suave.com/temp/the_problem.jpg
.....can anyone help me figure this out? i want the container-div (the
baby-blue box) to be only "130px", as its defined in mh "profile.css"
file. how do i stop it from auto-sizing itself to the height of all its
nested content!??
thanks!
matt

[Gérard Talbot]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote :

hello,
Hello Matt,

One thing I must immediately say: please do not multi-post. If you
believe several newsgroups must read your post, then at least
cross-post, clearly indicate so and then set the followup-to
accordingly. Multi-posting is really annoying.

See item 6 at
The seven don'ts of Usenet:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html
i am experiencing a little problem w/ regards to IE & Firefox
compatibility (works as expected in firefox, doesnt in IE).

i have a container-div element, which contains 1 image, and 2 nested
div elements. the problem is, in IE the height of the container-div is
extended

This is most likely due to a well known incorrect implementation in MSIE
5 and MSIE 6 of overflow: visible; the default/initial value of overflow
is visible.

If you try
http://www.hixie.ch/tests/evil/mixed/vertgrowth.html
1. Fixed Longitudinal Dimensions
with MSIE 6 and Firefox 1.x, you immediately see the broken overflow model.

More MSIE 6 bug collection sites:
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSe...ollectionSites

Gérard
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[matt]

thanks for the tip.

as for multi-posting... its been my experience over the years that most
posts go ignored. when i have database or programming questions i hit
the newsgroups (plural) related to topic in question. by posting to 4
or 5, i might get one reply. sorry if thats a problem for you...when my
ISP runs out of harddrive space ill stop. tho i will look into
cross-posting.
matt

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote:

thanks for the tip.

as for multi-posting... its been my experience over the years that most
posts go ignored. when i have database or programming questions i hit
the newsgroups (plural) related to topic in question.
If you actually find several groups that apply, cross-post to them, and
set followups where you want to read the answers. Multi-posting means
you will have individual answers all over the place, and tick off
responders who find your other posts later. Hey, maybe that's why your
posts go ignored!
by posting to 4 or 5, i might get one reply.
Then you didn't pick the correct group.
sorry if thats a problem for you...when my ISP runs out of harddrive
space ill stop. tho i will look into cross-posting.

When you multi-post, you use up far more disk-space than if you
cross-post (which takes just one instance of the post).

If you use a real newsreader, you will find (cross) posting much easier.

This page will be of interest.
http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

Your shift key seems to be broken as well.

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[Gérard Talbot]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote :

thanks for the tip.

as for multi-posting... its been my experience over the years that most
posts go ignored.
They do not. Most of them are not ignored. Sometimes, an answer/reply
may take more time than a day. Sometimes, non-answered post are because
the post is not really answerable.

when i have database or programming questions i hit the newsgroups (plural) related to topic in question. by posting to 4
or 5, i might get one reply. sorry if thats a problem for you...
That's a problem for a very wide majority of people reading posts in
newsgroup. I gave you a page/url to read (7 dont's).

This page is really for you to read:
Why and how to crosspost
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html

when my ISP runs out of harddrive space ill stop. tho i will look into
cross-posting.

Fine. :)

Gérard
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[matt]

> Multi-posting means you will ... tick off responders who find your other posts later.

not a problem for me, thanks.

Then you didn't pick the correct group.
wrong. most of my work & posts are in the sql and c groups that apply
to me.
When you multi-post, you use up far more disk-space
....while i agree that thats a bad thing in theory, we are no longer
living in the fidonet era -- nobody is relaying packets via phone
lines, and server storage has increased 1000-fold. further, volumes
more data are wasted daily in the religion & gun groups that my little
posts here & there....so im not gonna sweat it.

that being said, ill try google's cross-posting next time i have a
question.
Your shift key seems to be broken as well.

again, not a problem for me, thanks.
matt

[matt]

> That's a problem for a very wide majority of people reading posts in

newsgroup. I gave you a page/url to read (7 dont's).

yeah, yeah. heres what that little page comes down to: "It is
considered highly inappropriate"

there you have it. its the social equivelant of eating your salad w/
the appropiate fork.

guess what? it doesnt matter. back in the old days, we were concerned
w/ storage space. more, sysops used to download news packets themselves
via 1200baud modems, and long-distance was expensive. these days,
storage is bountiful and transmission is cheap.

sure, it may give readers more dupes if they read multiple groups. if
cross-posting instructs your readers to ignore cross posts, yes it will
make your life easier. but if it doesnt, or someone multi-posts once in
a while...well, whats the worst of it? you see some duplicate posts and
ignore them (ie, "don't like it, turn it off").

the thing you have to remember is... "It just doesnt matter". call me a
bill murray nililist, but this sort of
theoretical-philosophical-etiquette discussion is fruitless. the world
marches on, the sun keeps rising. in my decade of programming, ive come
to the same conclussion -- it largely, doesnt matter. all our code will
one day be deleted (often, sooner than you think), and one day nobody
will care what you or i say in this quaint little group. in a week
neither of us will care, in a year we wont even recall it. life goes
on...
matt

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote:

not a problem for me, thanks.

It's all about you, isn't it?

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[Gérard Talbot]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote :

That's a problem for a very wide majority of people reading posts in
newsgroup. I gave you a page/url to read (7 dont's).
yeah, yeah. heres what that little page comes down to: "It is
considered highly inappropriate"

there you have it. its the social equivelant of eating your salad w/
the appropiate fork.

guess what? it doesnt matter. back in the old days, we were concerned
w/ storage space. more, sysops used to download news packets themselves
via 1200baud modems, and long-distance was expensive. these days,
storage is bountiful and transmission is cheap.

sure, it may give readers more dupes if they read multiple groups. if
cross-posting instructs your readers to ignore cross posts, yes it will
make your life easier. but if it doesnt, or someone multi-posts once in
a while...well, whats the worst of it? you see some duplicate posts and
ignore them (ie, "don't like it, turn it off").

Cross-post is ok if you indicate clearly that you are doing so and that
replies have a followup-to.
the thing you have to remember is... "It just doesnt matter". call me a
bill murray nililist, but this sort of
theoretical-philosophical-etiquette discussion is fruitless. the world
marches on, the sun keeps rising. in my decade of programming, ive come
to the same conclussion -- it largely, doesnt matter. all our code will
one day be deleted (often, sooner than you think), and one day nobody
will care what you or i say in this quaint little group. in a week
neither of us will care, in a year we wont even recall it. life goes
on...

Matt, I replied to your post to the best of my ability. I tried to be as
informative as I can possibly be. I used a friendly tone, a
comprehensive tone, not an admonishing tone, inviting you to not
alienate yourself from this newsgroup and from alt.html either.

If you want help, be helpful.

If you want assistance when posting a message, then use the most
assisting post and assisting manners you can when posting.

Gérard
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[Gérard Talbot]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote :

Multi-posting means you will ... tick off responders who find your other posts later.

not a problem for me, thanks.

Newsgroups are not like a micro-wave oven that outputs quickly and
conveniently what you're hungry for. No one is working for you, just for
you. Every answer you got came from people who volunteered, gave you a
bit of their expertise and time.

Newsgroups are not an extension of a library. People in newsgroups are
not objects dedicated for your services. There are real live persons
behind the characters you read on your monitor screen.

Why do you want to go against a de facto standard (which promotes best
possible communication for communities and participants in newsgroups)
in newsgroups and alienate your posts is beyond my understanding.

Gérard
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[matt]

i do appreciate your help, truly.

but alienate myself? you dont understand... this is not a neighborhood.
this is not a club. this is not my bowling team.

rather, technical usenet groups such as this are a collection of
millions of pieces of useful information. and not even useful in
regards to me.. but in regards to whomever does the same google groups
search i did prior to posting -- they will find their keywords, read
their solution, and move on.

the information is all that matters.

being intelligble is a plus. being friendly is a plus. but worrying
about usenet harddrive space consumption & reprimanding others (even if
in a friendly tone)? come off it! that school of thought is a *dying
breed*. it was borne for good reasons, but those reasons are past.

so yes -- to me, and other knowledge workers like me, technical usenet
posts are like a microwave oven. in & out, as quickly as possible.
dunno about you but i get paid by the hour, i have to work fast. thus,
im going to post to several groups to get an answer.. (tho i will try a
cross-post if google makes it easy to do so).

but, if i were looking an in-depth discussion regarding some topic of
import--can any of us truly claim that CSS is an important
topic??--then i would totally side w/ you, and worry about maintaining
a civil, balanced thread and community.

this will all be forgotten and one day deleted.

hope my drift gets across. but at this point, thats only a plus.
matt

[matt]

> If you want assistance when posting a message, then use the most

assisting post and assisting manners you can when posting.

here's an example of my point, gérard. would there be any point in me
reprimanding you for over-quoting my previous post to which you
responded? not counting your sig, you wrote 9 lines. but -- you also
quoted 9 lines of my message, none of which were directly referenced or
replied to. thus, you have eaten (and wasted!) 4,096 bytes of harddisk
space, according to my OS.

that is a usenet no-no. but....i didnt mention it, till now. why?
because it just doesnt matter. our lives matter. our families matter.
but meta-talk regarding usenet posts on IE's proper CSS rendering bugs?
no way. what we're going to make for dinner this evening matters more
than that.

thats my point.

welp, thanks again for your help. i appreciate it, and perhaps some
googler at another point in time will, as well.
matt

[Stan McCann]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote in
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i do appreciate your help, truly.
Doesn't show.
but alienate myself? you dont understand... this is not a
neighborhood. this is not a club. this is not my bowling team.

rather, technical usenet groups such as this are a collection of
millions of pieces of useful information. and not even useful in
regards to me.. but in regards to whomever does the same google

And people. You forgot the people. Or do you think these words get
here all by theirselves?

So, if usenet is not useful to you, don't bother posting or reading,
just go away.

Matt, people have tried. I'm not, so now you can see what happens
when you go against the established standards. I, for one am
killfiling your rudeness.

When in Rome....

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http://alamo.nmsu.edu/ There are 10 kinds of people.
Those that understand binary and those that don't.

[Gérard Talbot]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote :

i do appreciate your help, truly.

but alienate myself? you dont understand... this is not a neighborhood.
this is not a club. this is not my bowling team.

A good working convention on Usenet is to quote enough of what you are
responding to so that some context is available. When it's done, anyone
searching through archives can then figure out what was talked. On top
of that, the person to whom you are replying to knows immediately and
easily to what exactly (chunck by chunck) you are replying to.

http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#quote
rather, technical usenet groups such as this are a collection of
millions of pieces of useful information. and not even useful in
regards to me.. but in regards to whomever does the same google groups
search i did prior to posting
You obviously did not search for MSIE 6 bugs. Obviously.

-- they will find their keywords, read their solution, and move on.

the information is all that matters.

being intelligble is a plus. being friendly is a plus. but worrying
about usenet harddrive space consumption
Are you actually claiming that one of my posts referred to harddrive
space consumption??
& reprimanding others (even if in a friendly tone)? come off it! that school of thought is a *dying
breed*. it was borne for good reasons, but those reasons are past.
In life, manners often make a difference. Furthermore if we are in a
communication medium like the web. Being able to understand (or to read)
the expectations of visitors of a webpage (or readers of posts in a
newsgroup) makes a major difference. That's why we have newsgroup FAQ
and tutorials/books/websites about proper webpage design.
You need such ingredients (friendliness, tolerance is what ends up into
website/webpage usability, accessibility, etc.) when actually building a
website. "Do as you wish", "anything goes", "the sky is the limit" and
"put up or shut up", "gimme or get out of the way" attitudes go nowhere,
on the web as well as in Usenet.

so yes -- to me, and other knowledge workers like me, technical usenet
posts are like a microwave oven.

Wow! Quite an admission. I really regret ever answering you. I thought
you were more than a spoon-feed-me-your-answers type of guy...
in & out, as quickly as possible.
Some people eventually call this road rage too, you know: it's an
hypertrophiated "gimme and get out of my way" attitude.
dunno about you but i get paid by the hour, i have to work fast. thus,
im going to post to several groups to get an answer.. (tho i will try a
cross-post if google makes it easy to do so).

but, if i were looking an in-depth discussion regarding some topic of
import--can any of us truly claim that CSS is an important
topic??
Maybe it is an important for those who posts messages in newsgroup
asking for free assistance, promptly delivered in a professional manner.
Like the ones who asked about element height in newsgroups.

--then i would totally side w/ you, and worry about maintaining a civil, balanced thread and community.

this will all be forgotten and one day deleted.

hope my drift gets across. but at this point, thats only a plus.
matt

It certainly got across my killfile. It's a plus in my killfile.

Gérard
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[matt]

OoooOOo -- not your KILLFILE! nooooooo!!!!!

fools. take a look at mailinator.com -- its just a bogus email house. i
can post under any number of email addresses, and i shall.

you are like little wannabe princes....defending your honorable cyber
landscape, banishing all those that oppose your will.....come off it.

enjoy your kingdom. i gotta better things to do, like work.
thanks again for your tips,
matt

[Tony]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote:

Multi-posting means you will ... tick off responders who find your other posts later.

not a problem for me, thanks.

Really?

Your shift key seems to be broken as well.

again, not a problem for me, thanks.

You keep saying that. Then you say that your posts are often ignored.

Did it ever occur to you that there may be a connection?

[matt]

> You keep saying that. Then you say that your posts are often ignored.

Did it ever occur to you that there may be a connection?

while some posts are left un-answered, one of other multiposts always
is. thus the learned behavior. but dont take my word for it -- do a
google groups search on my posts.

in several years of programming-related posts, ive never had any
problems of the childish sort i see in this group (ie, reprimands &
boasting of killfile use -- the net-equivalant of sticking your head in
the sand).

could it be that SQL & C# programmers arent as reactionary and arrogant
as the HTML/layout people? nobody there has ever given two shits for
multiposts. they just answer the question. hmm..
matt

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

ma**@mailinator.com wrote:

but dont take my word for it -- do a
google groups search on my posts.

Ok.

<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=matt%40mailinator.com>
"Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 45 for ma**@mailinator.com"

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[Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz]

In <11*********************@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups. com>, on
01/18/2006
at 01:01 PM, ma**@mailinator.com said:

in several years of programming-related posts, ive never had any
problems of the childish sort i see in this group (ie, reprimands &
boasting of killfile use
Did it ever occur to you that the reprimands[1] and killfile use might
have been justified? You clearly have a chip on your shoulder.
nobody there has ever given two shits for multiposts.

So you don't believe that basic rules of netiquette apply to you, and
when your lapses are pointed out you are offended? I can see why you
are popular in twit lists.

*PLONK*

[1] E.g., the absence of an attribution line.

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