table background problem, help?

[Holly]

I'm trying to get this page to look the same in Netscape and IE.

I have a box that says 'Upcoming Events' on the lower left of the
page. It's supposed to have a gray background, but in NS 4.x it won't show
up:

http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/

I'm also running into the same problem I think at the top, where I have a
navigation bar running horizontally that says 'about us' 'donate' (etc.) -
I want the blue background to span the entire width of the table, and it
doesn't do that in NS 4.x.

Both of these work well in IE though.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Holly

[Holly]

Thanks for checking!

I just found out what would work. Not that this is a graceful way... but
using an image for the table background instead of just the hex code did
it:

http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/

Now I have to work on everything else it needs. Hopefully this will help
someone else in the future (when table backgrounds do not show up in older
versions of Netscape).

Holly
: I can't believe I'm saying this but try replacing the <div
: align="center"> with a <center> tag.

: BTW, it also displays correctly in Mozilla 1.6.

[Brian]

Holly wrote:

I did read all the advice - I know it looks like I didn't take it
It looks like you still haven't taken it, because you continue to top-post.

How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:
http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post

Does that look familiar? The same link was in my last post in this
thread. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to actually *read* it. Otherwise, it
seems I'm wasting my time.
Brian wrote

Did you read A. Flavell's response? It seems that you didn't take
any of his advice. Noone can help you until you help yourself, and
you can start to help yourself by validating your code.

http://validator.w3.org/

I didn't do any of it yet but I will... am crunched up against many
deadlines so I've been juggling my tasks kindof clumsily.

I can understand that you don't have time to learn html coding in a
new way and redo your page -- or perhaps your entire site -- in
the space of a few days. But here's the part that you don't seem to
understand: There's no easy way for us to help you until your code is
valid. I wrote an inadequate explanation to explain it, but decided
instead to point you to

http://diveintomark.org/archives/200..._wont_help_you

Don't be put off by the headline. Take the time to read it, and it will
hopefully be clear.

In any case, fixing the underlying html errors is almost certainly
better use of your time than getting background images to appear in your
tables in NN4.

--
Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Stan McCann]

Brian wrote:

Actually, you need to rethink the table layout/font tags stuff. Start
with some basic html, and then think about the presentation.

Did you not read her statement that her pages must be viewable in NS
4.x? For that, there's not much other way. I really hated to have to
point her to the div tag that is causing her problem, but for NS 4.x, it
just won't work the way it's done. I told her to replace the div with a
center, but putting the align in the td would also do the trick.

Unfortunately, the world is not such that we can all use the latest and
greatest all of the time. I use HTML 4.01 Transitional and CSS1 and I
validate to that. I do so because some people still use old browsers
and I have found that I get satisfactory results with the standards I
use. YMMV.

--
Stan McCann
Tularosa Basin chapter ABATE of NM Cooordinator, Alamogordo, NM
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :(
http://surecann.com/Dcp_2068c.jpg

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Stan McCann wrote:

Brian wrote:

Actually, you need to rethink the table layout/font tags stuff. Start
with some basic html, and then think about the presentation.

Did you not read her statement that her pages must be viewable in NS
4.x?

"Viewable" does not necessarily mean "look the same", though.

Those who use an obsolete browser (and that includes me, at times)
don't have any right to expect ideal results. I'm keen to maintain
the results as "viewable", but I don't see how it can be worth going
much further than that.

[Stan McCann]

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

"Viewable" does not necessarily mean "look the same", though.

Those who use an obsolete browser (and that includes me, at times)
don't have any right to expect ideal results. I'm keen to maintain
the results as "viewable", but I don't see how it can be worth going
much further than that.

Correct. I was trying to be understanding of her needs. She was
looking for a quick fix that she could do with her limited knowledge.
She's expressed a desire to learn the proper ways of doing things but
was in a time crunch. Having been there, done that, I was trying to be
helpful to her circumstances.

--
Stan McCann
Tularosa Basin chapter ABATE of NM Cooordinator, Alamogordo, NM
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :(
http://surecann.com/Dcp_2068c.jpg

[Brian]

Stan McCann wrote:

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

"Viewable" does not necessarily mean "look the same", though.

Those who use an obsolete browser (and that includes me, at times)
don't have any right to expect ideal results.

I was trying to be understanding of her needs. She was looking for a
quick fix that she could do with her limited knowledge.

That's understandable, but a different answer then, "it must work in
NN4." Practically any page with robust html[1] and no css will work in
that browser.

[1] that is, valid html 4 with all optional closing tags included

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Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/