I'm trying to get this page to look the same in Netscape and IE.
I have a box that says 'Upcoming Events' on the lower left of the
page. It's supposed to have a gray background, but in NS 4.x it won't show
up: http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/
I'm also running into the same problem I think at the top, where I have a
navigation bar running horizontally that says 'about us' 'donate' (etc.) -
I want the blue background to span the entire width of the table, and it
doesn't do that in NS 4.x.
Both of these work well in IE though.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Holly 15  2066 
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Holly wrote: I'm trying to get this page to look the same in Netscape and IE.
Why? (that's a serious question)
And what's "Netscape"? (that's another)
I have a box that says 'Upcoming Events' on the lower left of the
page. It's supposed to have a gray background, but in NS 4.x it won't show
up:
http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/
You have IMHO far more serious problems to address. Your page is very
inflexible, and fails to even approach being valid HTML. It's
composed by last century's misguided wannabe-DTP-pseudo-HTML.
Whoever taught you how to do this stuff has seriously let you down.
Stick around the HTML and stylesheets group for a while, get the
general temperature, I'm sure you'll grasp the general feelings.
Both of these work well in IE though.
That's always a warning sign. IE is (for the most part) reasonably
capable of browsing a page that's been designed for the WWW, but the
converse is emphatically not true - a page that has been designed
specifically for IE is almost guaranteed to cause problems on
WWW-conforming browsers.
"Alan J. Flavell" <fl*****@ph.gla .ac.uk> wrote in message news:<Pi******* *************** ********@ppepc5 6.ph.gla.ac.uk> ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Holly wrote:
I'm trying to get this page to look the same in Netscape and IE.
[snip] I have a box that says 'Upcoming Events' on the lower left of the
page. It's supposed to have a gray background, but in NS 4.x it won't show
up:
http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/
You have IMHO far more serious problems to address. Your page is very
inflexible, and fails to even approach being valid HTML. It's
composed by last century's misguided wannabe-DTP-pseudo-HTML.
[snip]
That page used table-layout, and was therefore incapable of DTP-like
precision. Tables simply don't behave like that. They tend to adapt to
their contents, and the user's viewing conditions, despite any
author's attempts to control them.
Modern experts who want pixel-precision, approaching DTP-like
fixed-width properties, use tableless-layout via CSS.
Here is some discussion of the topic: http://photomatt.net/archives/2003/1...width-designs/ http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5TT34F
Here are some very attractive fixed-width designs: http://www.nozzon.com/testing/new.asp http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=100%2F100%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=098%2F098%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=096%2F096%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=095%2F095%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=092%2F092%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=091%2F091%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=089%2F089%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=087%2F087%2Ecss http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=003%2F003%2Ecss
There are good arguments against fixed-width designs. But there isn't
a consensus. And this has nothing to do with "20th century versus 21st
century". Nor about "old versus modern" recommendations . Nor about
"table-layout versus tableless-layout", except that only
tableless-layout can truly achieve fixed-width layout.
It is worth separating out these different aspects of page layout, so
that they can be evaluated independently.
--
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If anyone has any idea how to work around this problem, that would be
great. This page must work in old versions of Netscape (4.x) because some
of the audience uses it and no one can be excluded.
Thanks for your help!
Holly
In article <c6**********@g rapevine.wam.um d.edu>, Holly <me@nospam.ed u> wrote: If anyone has any idea how to work around this problem, that would be
great.
What problem? You didn't quote any of the previous discussion.
This page must work in old versions of Netscape (4.x) because some
of the audience uses it and no one can be excluded.
What do you think "work" means?
If you expect the page to "look the same" in NN4 as in modern browsers,
then you're pretty much stuck with presentational markup (a la HTML 3.2).
But if you embrace the idea that a page can look different in different
browsers, and use a simple trick or two to hide your CSS from buggy,
obsolete browsers, then even the most CSS-rich page can be perfectly
accessible (albeit not as pretty) in NN4.
See http://w3development.de/css/hide_css_from_browsers/
--
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A gimmick car rallye is not a race, but a fun puzzle testing your
ability to follow instructions. Upcoming gimmick car rallye in
Silicon Valley: Starsky & Hutch (Saturday, May 1)
Holly wrote: If anyone has any idea how to work around this problem, that would be
great. This page must work in old versions of Netscape (4.x) because some
of the audience uses it and no one can be excluded.
Thanks for your help!
Holly
I might be able to help IF I knew the problem. Not including some
reference doesn't work. I sort by date/time instead of by thread. It's
quite possible, probable even that, as in this case, I see a reply never
having seen the original.
--
Stan McCann
Tularosa Basin chapter ABATE of NM Cooordinator, Alamogordo, NM
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :( http://surecann.com/Dcp_2068c.jpg
I'm sorry, I should have included my original question... my bad! I should
know better on usenet.
The problem I'm having that I hope someone more experienced than me can
help with, is that I have this page where some table backgrounds aren't
showing up in NS 4.x but they do work in IE. http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/
The table background in the lower left that says 'upcoming events' is
supposed to be gray... what can I do so that NS will see it?
Thanks everyone, for your help. I am learning a great deal and appreciate
any and all advice. I'm also reading up on the advice for CSS and how this
page is clunky so I am hoping to solve those issues, but right now I need
to solve this one particular problem (and fast!).
Thanks!
Holly
Stan McCann <st**@surecann. com> wrote:
: I might be able to help IF I knew the problem. Not including some
: reference doesn't work. I sort by date/time instead of by thread. It's
: quite possible, probable even that, as in this case, I see a reply never
: having seen the original.
How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?: http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
Holly wrote: The problem I'm having that I hope someone more experienced than me can
help with, is that I have this page where some table backgrounds aren't
showing up in NS 4.x but they do work in IE.
http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/
Did you read A. Flavell's response? It seems that you didn't take any of
his advice. Noone can help you until you help yourself, and you can
start to help yourself by validating your code. http://validator.w3.org/
Actually, you need to rethink the table layout/font tags stuff. Start
with some basic html, and then think about the presentation.
--
Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me) http://www.tsmchughs.com/
Holly wrote: I'm sorry, I should have included my original question... my bad! I should
know better on usenet.
The problem I'm having that I hope someone more experienced than me can
help with, is that I have this page where some table backgrounds aren't
showing up in NS 4.x but they do work in IE.
http://www.wavian.com/clients/pugwash/
The table background in the lower left that says 'upcoming events' is
supposed to be gray... what can I do so that NS will see it?
I can't believe I'm saying this but try replacing the <div
align="center"> with a <center> tag.
BTW, it also displays correctly in Mozilla 1.6.
--
Stan McCann
Tularosa Basin chapter ABATE of NM Cooordinator, Alamogordo, NM
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :( http://surecann.com/Dcp_2068c.jpg
I did read all the advice - I know it looks like I didn't take it because
I didn't do any of it yet but I will... am crunched up against many
deadlines so I've been juggling my tasks kindof clumsily. But all the
advice is appreciated and didn't go to waste! I do want this page to be
validated and conform to updated standards.
Holly
Brian <us*****@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote:
: Did you read A. Flavell's response? It seems that you didn't take any of
: his advice. Noone can help you until you help yourself, and you can
: start to help yourself by validating your code.
: http://validator.w3.org/
: Actually, you need to rethink the table layout/font tags stuff. Start
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