Hello. It's me again with another question that should generate a lot of
responses.
As mentioned before, I'm working on my first site (hopefully I'll be done
soon and can move on to other stuff...caus I'm tired of looking at the same
graphics). :-)
But, I've been running into all of these different HTML/CSS code debacles,
after which I've been advised to go back and "add 'this' default coding to
your stylesheet", or "IE sees your code like this...Mozilla/Firefox sees it
as this, so you have to do 'this' "....
Only to come to the conclusion that there are some general things that I need
to do or code that I need to always include that will make my life a lot
easier when I been using positioning code and other CSS elements to create my
webpage.
From your perspective, what would be these general inclusions...? What do I
"always" need to do so I won't have problems coding and my viewers won't have
any problems viewing my page? (No graphic design answers needed).
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LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com wrote:
Hello. It's me again with another question that should generate a lot of
responses.
As mentioned before, I'm working on my first site (hopefully I'll be done
soon and can move on to other stuff...caus I'm tired of looking at the same
graphics). :-)
But, I've been running into all of these different HTML/CSS code debacles,
after which I've been advised to go back and "add 'this' default coding to
your stylesheet", or "IE sees your code like this...Mozilla/Firefox sees it
as this, so you have to do 'this' "....
Only to come to the conclusion that there are some general things that I need
to do or code that I need to always include that will make my life a lot
easier when I been using positioning code and other CSS elements to create my
webpage.
From your perspective, what would be these general inclusions...? What do I
"always" need to do so I won't have problems coding and my viewers won't have
any problems viewing my page? (No graphic design answers needed).
Develop *not* in IE but in a modern web browser.
Make your page legible *before* you add any styling.
Validate HTML and CSS *before* your start hacking away at your design.
Tweak if you must to get MSIE on board. Or better yet, see if you can
approach the design in a way that it is flexible enough where it does
not matter if it is displays differently among browsers. Remember your
visitors don't come to your site with two different browsers fired up
measuring the screen to notice that "the heading text 3 pixels farther
to the left" in one over the other!
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Take care,
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
In article <4n************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:11:55 -0800, in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets Michael Vilain
<vi****@NOspamc op.net>
<vi************ **************@ comcast.dca.gig anews.comwrote:
| Regarding IE:
|
| http://www.vilain.com/web-design.html
Love it!!!! LOL
Could I have a copy of the image please (properly attributed of
course). I think my students would get a real kick out of it :-)
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Surely you did not need to quote all the text before the mention
of this link to express your love. It is important to cut down
the prattle on these ngs. As for getting the image (permission is
different issue), you just right click and save it to disk. If
you want some huge version of it to make a poster for your kids
it should not take a mo to knock one up for print quality. Being
Xmas and all, and if you or MV can't or won't do it, tell me. <g>
--
dorayme
LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com wrote:
From your perspective, what would be these general inclusions...? What do I
"always" need to do so I won't have problems coding and my viewers won't have
any problems viewing my page? (No graphic design answers needed).
Test in all the major browsers *as you go along*. It's a fatal mistake
to test exlusively in one browser and then test in other browsers as an
afterthought.
After a while, you start to remember what will cause problems between
different browsers and you will begin to instinctively avoid the problem
areas.
The golden rule, in my experience, is to keep it simple. Don't start
using arcane browser hacks or the obscenely anal and over-complicated
CSS layouts on sites such as alistapart.com. The last thing you want to
do is come back to a site months later to make changes and suddenly
realise you have no idea how the layout works.
In article
<vi************ **************@ comcast.dca.gig anews.com>,
Michael Vilain <vi****@NOspamc op.netwrote:
In article
<do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.au>,
dorayme <do************ @optusnet.com.a uwrote:
In article <4n************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:11:55 -0800, in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets Michael Vilain
<vi****@NOspamc op.net>
<vi************ **************@ comcast.dca.gig anews.comwrote:
| Regarding IE:
|
| http://www.vilain.com/web-design.html
>
Love it!!!! LOL
Could I have a copy of the image please (properly attributed of
course). I think my students would get a real kick out of it :-)
... As for getting the image (permission is
different issue), you just right click and save it to disk. If
you want some huge version of it to make a poster for your kids
it should not take a mo to knock one up for print quality. Being
Xmas and all, and if you or MV can't or won't do it, tell me. <g>
Regarding the web-design image. It's not mine. I wandered across it on
a web-design news group.
Actually, I have seen it before. I had been meaning to change it
around a bit, partly to make it more earthy Australian but I need
more motivation <g>
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dorayme
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:55 +1100, in
comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
<do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
<do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
>| As for getting the image (permission is
| different issue), you just right click and save it to disk.
It is nice to know that you condone theft of intellectual property.
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In article <of************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:55 +1100, in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
<do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
<do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
| As for getting the image (permission is
| different issue), you just right click and save it to disk.
It is nice to know that you condone theft of intellectual property.
It is not nice to know that you are so blinded by your holier
than thou preoccupations that you fail to distinguish between the
two issues of technical and moral as a logical distinction. Not
even with my help - look at what I said in brackets. Do you think
putting things in brackets means they are regarded as unimportant
full stop by the writer? As with many of you Holier than thou
moral types it usually does no good explaining.
But fool me, I will: Permission is one issue, technical how is
another issue. Discussing the technical aspect does not mean one
condones theft. If someone asks how to steal something and you
tell them, that is one thing. But if someone asks how to do
something that can be perfectly legal in any number of contexts
then there is not much wrong in telling them especially if one
actually reminds them of the legal issue. Of course, with types
like you, everyone and anyone is immediately under the suspicion
of the worst motivations.
Why don't you apologise? Or email me privately so I can get
better satisfaction at this outrage of yours. Please use capital
letters in the subject field so I notice it and use "Hit me Baby
with the filthiest language ever heard on earth!"
--
dorayme
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:23:59 +1100, in
comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
<do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
<do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
>| In article <of************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
| Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
|
| On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:55 +1100, in
| comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
| <do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
| <do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
| >
| | As for getting the image (permission is
| | different issue), you just right click and save it to disk.
| >
| It is nice to know that you condone theft of intellectual property.
[snip a lot of froth and bubble to try and justify IP theft]
>| Why don't you apologise? Or email me privately so I can get
| better satisfaction at this outrage of yours. Please use capital
| letters in the subject field so I notice it and use "Hit me Baby
| with the filthiest language ever heard on earth!"
What a strange mating ritual you have?
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In article <ko************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:23:59 +1100, in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
<do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
<do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
| In article <of************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
| Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
|
| On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:55 +1100, in
| comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
| <do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
| <do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
| >
| | As for getting the image (permission is
| | different issue), you just right click and save it to disk.
| >
| It is nice to know that you condone theft of intellectual property.
[snip a lot of froth and bubble to try and justify IP theft]
You snip it, of course, because you are not big enough to look at
the distinction being made. Either you have a mental incapacity
or you speak in bad faith. Let me repeat it for the benefit of
anyone that might be tempted by your lowness:
"Permission is one issue, technical how is another issue.
Discussing the technical aspect does not mean one condones theft.
If someone asks how to steal something and you tell them, that is
one thing. But if someone asks how to do something that can be
perfectly legal in any number of contexts then there is not much
wrong in telling them especially if one actually reminds them of
the legal issue. Of course, with types like you, everyone and
anyone is immediately under the suspicion of the worst
motivations".
--
dorayme
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:40 +1100, in
comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
<do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
<do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
>| In article <ko************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
| Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
|
| On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:23:59 +1100, in
| comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
| <do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
| <do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
| >
| | In article <of************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
| | Jeff North <jn******@yahoo .com.auwrote:
| |
| | On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:55 +1100, in
| | comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets dorayme
| | <do************ @optusnet.com.a u>
| | <do************ *************** *******@news-vip.optusnet.co m.auwrote:
| | >
| | | As for getting the image (permission is
| | | different issue), you just right click and save it to disk.
| | >
| | It is nice to know that you condone theft of intellectual property.
| >
| [snip a lot of froth and bubble to try and justify IP theft]
|
| You snip it, of course, because you are not big enough to look at
| the distinction being made.
So you'd have no problem if someone wrote:
If you walk into a store and see a product you like just put it into
your pocket then walk out of the store (you might be stopped by
security personnel).
>| Either you have a mental incapacity
| or you speak in bad faith. Let me repeat it for the benefit of
| anyone that might be tempted by your lowness:
|
| "Permission is one issue, technical how is another issue.
| Discussing the technical aspect does not mean one condones theft.
| If someone asks how to steal something and you tell them, that is
| one thing.
In law, isn't that called accessory to the fact/crime?
>| But if someone asks how to do something that can be
| perfectly legal in any number of contexts then there is not much
| wrong in telling them especially if one actually reminds them of
| the legal issue.
Theft, in any form, is illegal.
>| Of course, with types like you, everyone and
| anyone is immediately under the suspicion of the worst
| motivations".
Well then you'd have no problem in giving the url of one of your
websites that you've designed so I can copy the site, change a few
items and then call it my own.
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