Fails on IE?!

[laredotornado]

Hi, Surprisingly, I can't get the drop down menus to work on PC IE 6.
If you roll over "PRODUCTS", normally a drop down menu appears (on
Safari and Firefox), but on PC IE, nada.

http://test2.boxxtech.com/corporate/test.asp

Any ideas?

Thanks, - Dave

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <el*********@ti scali.nl>
writing in news:vy******** *************** *****@40tude.ne t:

Okay, next: is that script of yours difficult to implement for other
people? Like specifically - would it be of any use to me to get
<link>s into my own pages?

In addition to what Alan does, I do this little bit in ASP (also PHP but
I'll use ASP for this example)

dim thispage, thisurl, thefirst, thelast, thenext, theprevious

thispage = "Welcome"
thisurl = "index.asp"

If the page has pagination then:
thefirst = firstpage
if page = 1 then
thenext = firstpage+1
else
thenext = page +1
end if
if page 1 then
theprevious = page-1
end if
thelast = lastpage

Then in linkrel_inc.asp ->
<% if page <"" then %>
<link rel="first" href="<%=thefir st%>">
<link rel="next" href="<%=thenex t%>">
<link rel="last" href="<%=thelas t%>">
<% if page 1 then%>
<link rel="previous" href="<%=thepre vious%>">
<%end if
end if%>
<link rel="Home" href="index.asp ">
<link type="text/css" href="style.css " rel="stylesheet ">
<link type="text/css" href="colors.cs s" rel="stylesheet ">
<title>Some nice Website - <%=thispage%> </title>
<meta name="descripti on" contents="Some nice Website <%=thispage%> ">
And in H1_inc.asp ->
<h1><%=thispage %></h1>
This saves a lot of typing, and a lot of not remembering to fill in the
title element. It don't do too bad in the search engines either.

I like to separate colors and positioning into two separate stylesheets.
It makes it easier for me to change colors, or to have different colors
themes (especially in the case liturgical colors for a church site I
designed and maintain).

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[Matt]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:36:14 +0200, Els wrote:

Adrienne Boswell wrote:

>Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <el*********@ti scali.nl>
writing in news:br******** *************** ******@40tude.n et:

>>>And, as I say, the better browsers have support for <link rel="...">
which is available *wherever* they might be on the page.

I have those better browsers, but since not many pages code for it, I
never bother to use that feature.

I code for it. Opera has the option to show it when it's available (or
all the time),

I know, but because not many sites use it, it doesn't become automatic. I
do most things on the keyboard, including clicking links. Which is
actually one of the reasons I prefer Firefox over Opera, cause in Opera I
can't just tab from link to link. (I know there are shortcuts, but nothing
is as easy as the tab button, which works in all the other browsers).

In Opera, if there's a 'next' link, pressing the space bar when the screen
is scrolled to the bottom of the page will go to it. This also works if
there's a link with the text 'next' -- try pressing space repeatedly on a
Google search results page. There's a few other shortcuts for this too
(the >button for instance).

I prefer the Shift-arrowkey shortcuts in Opera, I think it's quicker. But
'A' and 'Q' are the equivalent to 'Tab' and 'Shift-tab' here (more or less).

> and Firefox has an extension that puts the information at the
bottom somewhere.

Besides me not wanting to install "all" the extensions Firefox has to
offer, I don't get into using those shortcuts. If I'd be surfing 24/7 on a
site that has those links enabled, I'd get used to them, and I wouldn't
have to think twice about it when I used them. It would become automatic.
But since it's not working on all sites (to say the least), this
automatism would actually hurt my surfing. I already dislike the fact that
opening a new tab in IE7 and Firefox is CTRL-T, while in Opera it's
CTRL-N. Too many times I've opened up the bookmarks (?) window in Opera
when I needed a new tab. Vice versa, I don't like it that in Firefox or IE
I can't type in CTRL-H to go to the address bar.

Opera have given in and gone with Ctrl-T for new tab in version 9, if you
do a clean install (otherwise it keeps the old Ctrl-N). Ctrl-H doesn't go
to the address bar for me, but I use F8 for this.

--
Matt

[Els]

Matt wrote:

>I do most things on the keyboard, including clicking links. Which
is actually one of the reasons I prefer Firefox over Opera, cause
in Opera I can't just tab from link to link. (I know there are
shortcuts, but nothing is as easy as the tab button, which works
in all the other browsers).

In Opera, if there's a 'next' link, pressing the space bar when the
screen is scrolled to the bottom of the page will go to it. This
also works if there's a link with the text 'next' -- try pressing
space repeatedly on a Google search results page. There's a few
other shortcuts for this too (the >button for instance).

I prefer the Shift-arrowkey shortcuts in Opera, I think it's
quicker. But 'A' and 'Q' are the equivalent to 'Tab' and
'Shift-tab' here (more or less).

Yes, but my point is that all the other browsers use the TAB to go
from link to link, and if I automatically do the same in Opera, I get
send back and forth between input elements. A and Q just aren't as
logical and obvious to type when I want to go to the next link. (YMMV
of course)

Sidenote: I discovered that 'A' doesn't always work well. On the
homepage of http://locusoptimus.com for instance, when I load the
page, and press A several times, it just goes back and forth between
the logo and the 'skip to content' link (which isn't visible because
Opera won't respond to :focus styles). It doesn't go further to the
navigation or in page links. I can press the Q multiple times to go
backwards into the navigation though, but it does seem a bit
cumbersome ;-)

>I've opened up the bookmarks (?) window in Opera when I needed a
new tab. Vice versa, I don't like it that in Firefox or IE I can't
type in CTRL-H to go to the address bar.

Opera have given in and gone with Ctrl-T for new tab in version 9,
if you do a clean install (otherwise it keeps the old Ctrl-N).

Good to know. Now that you mention it, I think I may have noticed it
once. (Don't remember where I installed 9 though - could have been the
beta before my hd crashed)

Ctrl-H doesn't go to the address bar for me, but I use F8 for this.

If only the different browsers would use the same shortcuts...

I would also like the different languages to use the same shortcuts,
but I don't think that will ever happen. In my Dutch progs I need
alt-b-p to save a document, in the English ones it's alt-f-s. Logical
language wise, but tricky when using more than one language on one PC
:-)

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

[Els]

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Els wrote:

>Okay, next: is that script of yours difficult to implement for other
people?

As I've already said - the specific details in mine were set, some
years back, and if I was starting again today there would likely be
big differences. So, what I'm saying is, feel free to use the
*principles* I'm suggesting, but don't just copy the details
uncritically.

I never use anything uncritically ;-)

[snip lots of info]

As an aside, it can be useful to run a local Apache server on one's
editing platform (even a laptop), configured as closely as possible to
the production server, and to browse the edited pages via
http://localhost/ prior to uploading them to the production server
(I'm assuming that the production server will be an Apache-family
server, seeing that most of them are ;-). There are many kinds of
problem which simply don't show up when one merely browses the local
HTML files. That's true even if one doesn't use SSI or PHP, but can
be especially useful if one does.

Yup, that's how I do it too. Not 'localhost' though - I use proper
domain names and subdomains ;-)

Even if a site is not going to use PHP when live, I still use includes
locally during development, to make my life easier.

Then again, you could turn the whole thing inside-out and use a
content management system for the page content.

That would feel like cheating...

h t h

It did, thanks :-)

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

[Els]

Adrienne Boswell wrote:

In addition to what Alan does, I do this little bit in ASP (also PHP
but I'll use ASP for this example)

[snip example code]

Thanks, that's helpful.

And in H1_inc.asp ->
<h1><%=thispage %></h1>

This saves a lot of typing, and a lot of not remembering to fill in
the title element. It don't do too bad in the search engines
either.

Makes sense, yes.

I like to separate colors and positioning into two separate stylesheets.
It makes it easier for me to change colors, or to have different colors
themes (especially in the case liturgical colors for a church site I
designed and maintain).

I did that too after the first theme/colour change of my site. Going
through a long stylesheet hunting down colour values is something you
have to do only once, before converting to use separate stylesheets.

(before anyone tells me I'm not using a separate stylesheet on my site
currently: that's because I don't intend to keep this layout with
different colours ;-) )
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <el*********@ti scali.nlwriting
in news:48******** *************** *****@40tude.ne t:

I did that too after the first theme/colour change of my site. Going
through a long stylesheet hunting down colour values is something you
have to do only once, before converting to use separate stylesheets.

Yup, and I'm playing with generated stylesheets, for example:
Get the value of the current color (green), and
programatically/mathematically change it in all the stylesheet (shades of
green). I'm not quite there yet, but when I am, I'll probably post it
somewhere.

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Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
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[Els]

Adrienne Boswell wrote:

Yup, and I'm playing with generated stylesheets, for example: Get
the value of the current color (green), and
programatically/mathematically change it in all the stylesheet
(shades of green). I'm not quite there yet, but when I am, I'll
probably post it somewhere.

If 'somewhere' is in a place where I'll see it, that would be good :-)

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <el*********@ti scali.nl>
writing in news:1m******** *************** *****@40tude.ne t:

Adrienne Boswell wrote:

>Yup, and I'm playing with generated stylesheets, for example: Get
the value of the current color (green), and
programaticall y/mathematically change it in all the stylesheet
(shades of green). I'm not quite there yet, but when I am, I'll
probably post it somewhere.

If 'somewhere' is in a place where I'll see it, that would be good :-)

Sure thing... The only thing I have up now is this
<http://www.intraproduc ts.com/usenet/requiredform.as pa form that uses
CSS to present information to the user as to was not submitted or not
correctly submitted. It might keep you amused for a minute or two.

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[Shawn K. Quinn]

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posted at 2006-07-18T19:04

Hi, Surprisingly, I can't get the drop down menus to work on PC IE 6.

There is no such thing as "PC IE 6". There is a Windows IE, and a MacOS
IE, and I think even a Solaris IE.

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