Hi, Surprisingly, I can't get the drop down menus to work on PC IE 6.
If you roll over "PRODUCTS", normally a drop down menu appears (on
Safari and Firefox), but on PC IE, nada. http://test2.boxxtech.com/corporate/test.asp
Any ideas?
Thanks, - Dave 28  2687 
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Els wrote:
IE6 doesn't support :hover on anything else than <a>.
To be pedantic, it won't support :hover on anything else
than <a href=...>
No other kind of <a, notably <a name=...>, will impress it.
Although, as others already said, you can use CSS to make <ainto a
display:block element if you want, give it a nice box and background,
and the whole thing will then respond to :hover, even in IE. This
solution isn't acceptable in some situations, naturally (e.g links in
running text), but in others (e.g individual entries on a menu) it can
work just fine.
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't tell
beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong with the
design. It's supposed to be a navigation aid, ferchrissake - not some
kind of lucky dip, that you have to wave a rodent over to see what
lights up. (Except, of course, when it *is* meant to be a lucky
dip...).
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Els wrote:
>IE6 doesn't support :hover on anything else than <a>.
To be pedantic,
If you must :-)
it won't support :hover on anything else
than <a href=...>
No other kind of <a, notably <a name=...>, will impress it.
Now that you mention it, I think I read something like that recently.
Just didn't stick, since I don't see a use for hover on <a name...>
anyway.
Although, as others already said, you can use CSS to make <ainto a
display:block element if you want, give it a nice box and background,
and the whole thing will then respond to :hover, even in IE. This
solution isn't acceptable in some situations, naturally (e.g links in
running text), but in others (e.g individual entries on a menu) it can
work just fine.
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't tell
beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong with the
design. It's supposed to be a navigation aid, ferchrissake - not some
kind of lucky dip, that you have to wave a rodent over to see what
lights up. (Except, of course, when it *is* meant to be a lucky
dip...).
It's what people expect. If I see a menu - the conventional type: list
of links on the left, content of the page on the right. I *just know*
the words on the left are links, but when I go there with my mouse and
nothing happens, I'm surprised. I'll even hover again to see if I've
overlooked a less than obvious hover effect.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Els wrote:
>IE6 doesn't support :hover on anything else than <a>.
To be pedantic, it won't support :hover on anything else
than <a href=...>
No other kind of <a, notably <a name=...>, will impress it.
Although, as others already said, you can use CSS to make <ainto a
display:block element if you want, give it a nice box and background,
and the whole thing will then respond to :hover, even in IE. This
solution isn't acceptable in some situations, naturally (e.g links in
running text), but in others (e.g individual entries on a menu) it can
work just fine.
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't tell
beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong with the
design.
Even when it's obvious that there's something clickable, feedback that
tells you when the cursor is and is not within the area within which
clicking will produce a result can be valuable. It's not an absolute
necessity, but it isn't hopelessly misguided. Take the tabs show in the
first image under the section "Clickable Region Fix" in the "Sliding
Doors" article on A List Apart: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/
Not the entirety of a tab reacts to clicking. A mouseover effect helps
alert the user to this fact.
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't tell
beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong with the
design. It's supposed to be a navigation aid, ferchrissake - not some
kind of lucky dip, that you have to wave a rodent over to see what
lights up. (Except, of course, when it *is* meant to be a lucky
dip...).
I take your point but there are circumstances when it is appropriate to
use hovering (perhaps with title) to disclose that a string is actually
link.
A case in point might be a history with very frequent citing of persons,
places and events where it is wanted to link to particular end notes.
To differentiate these on the page , visually, disrupts the readers'
eye. It can look like a pakapoo ticket
The only need is for the reader to be advised that end notes for cited
elements are available on mouse over.
Louise
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't tell
beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong with the
design.
There's another advantage to :hover. Competent design might tell you
"Here's a table of links", but :hover also gives you feedback that your
pointer is properly placed over a particular link. For dense
navigation, this can be a useful usability benefit.
Alan J. Flavell schrieb:
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't tell
beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong with the
design. It's supposed to be a navigation aid, ferchrissake
In addition to what has been mentioned already, I see 2 more cases where
it can be useful:
tr:hover {[...]}
This can be very helpful if you have a list with many columns and some
"edit" and "delete" buttons at the end of each row, as for example in
phpMyAdmin. It helps keeping orientation about which row you are
actually clicking on. (As it is a helping goodie only, lacking IE
support is not a problem.)
a:hover, a:focus {[...]}
This combination produces a consistent rendering of a link, regardless
of it being accessed by hovering or with the tab key.
--
Markus
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Els wrote:
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
....
it won't support :hover on anything else
than <a href=...>
No other kind of <a, notably <a name=...>, will impress it.
Now that you mention it, I think I read something like that recently.
Just didn't stick, since I don't see a use for hover on <a name...>
anyway.
Quite - but think about it the other way around.
Someone who's only familiar with the behaviour of IE might well
think it's a good idea to code a:hover in their CSS.
But, if they then code some <a name=...tags, they may well be
surprised at what happens on a real web browser. I recommend
coding a:link:hover instead.
What *is* this fascination with :hover, anyway? If readers can't
tell beforehand that a link is a link, there's something wrong
with the design. It's supposed to be a navigation aid,
ferchrissake - not some kind of lucky dip, that you have to wave a
rodent over to see what lights up.
....
It's what people expect.
Well, OK, you do have a point. There can be benefits in doing some
things - even things which are illogical - if they're what the user is
accustomed to.[1] After all, it's a good principle to keep in mind
that web users spend most of their browsing time on *other* sites, to
the extent that "innovative " ways of doing things can leave the users
baffled and confused.
In this instance I'm not entirely convinced - even though I had
included a modest hover effect (for unvisited links) in my own
stylesheet, in the interests of user familiarity. And, as another has
said, if there's any doubt that the rodent is *really* over the link
text, the hover effect can confirm it.
cheers
[1] - like the habit of putting the navigation menu at top left,
distracting from the main content of the page. That's one point on
which my own pages don't compromise - the navigation links are at the
foot of the page (and in the <link rel=...markup, for the benefit of
those with Better Browsers). I honestly don't expect this to baffle
or confuse anyone who'd be interested in my pages. I've had a
considerable number of positive emails about pages of mine that aren't
about the WWW, and very few of them have made any complaint, and then
only quite minor, about the usability of the pages; the mails have
been overwhelmingly about the content - which is how it's supposed to
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