border-collapse:collap se and seperates; Can you have it both ways in one table?

[Barbara de Zoete]

Here's what I'm trying to do:

Create a table with generic style property [ border-collapse:sepera te; ].
Have a few table cells in the thead that 'have to' melt into eachother, so
needing the style [ border-collapse:collap se; ].

Looking somthing like:

,------------.------------.
| | header |
| other | one | two |
|============|= =====|=====|
| data data | 1,25 | aA |
|------------|------|-----|
| more data | 2,50 | aB |
`------------'------'-----'

See how 'header' and 'one' and 'two' more or less optically melt into
eachother?

I've setup a test page at
<URL:http://www.pretletters .net/_test/testing_data_ta bles.REKAM_freq uenties.html>
(styles in the page). In the head of the table on that page the cells that
I optically want to melt into one are 'TV-station' and 'kort' and
'volledig'.

How can I achieve the look I want?

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[Spartanicus]

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

Looking somthing like:

,------------.------------.
| | header |
| other | one | two |
|============|= =====|=====|
| data data | 1,25 | aA |
|------------|------|-----|
| more data | 2,50 | aB |
`------------'------'-----'
Real content please.
See how 'header' and 'one' and 'two' more or less optically melt into
eachother?

I've setup a test page at
<URL:http://www.pretletters .net/_test/testing_data_ta bles.REKAM_freq uenties.html>
(styles in the page). In the head of the table on that page the cells that
I optically want to melt into one are 'TV-station' and 'kort' and
'volledig'.

I'm probably missing something as I don't see the problem:
http://homepage.ntlworld.ie/spartanicus/temp.htm

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[Barbara de Zoete]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:43:41 +0100, Spartanicus <in*****@invali d.invalid>
wrote:

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

Looking somthing like:

,------------.------------.
| | header |
| other | one | two |
|============|= =====|=====|
| data data | 1,25 | aA |
|------------|------|-----|
| more data | 2,50 | aB |
`------------'------'-----'

Real content please.

As I provided with the url, didn't I.

See how 'header' and 'one' and 'two' more or less optically melt into
eachother?

I've setup a test page at
<URL:http://www.pretletters .net/_test/testing_data_ta bles.REKAM_freq uenties.html>
(styles in the page). In the head of the table on that page the cells
that
I optically want to melt into one are 'TV-station' and 'kort' and
'volledig'.

I'm probably missing something as I don't see the problem:
http://homepage.ntlworld.ie/spartanicus/temp.htm

Well, I do see the problem: the vertical borders of the cell containing
'TV-station' don't connect with the vertical borders of the two cells in
the next row (in both Opera8.5 and FF1.5). There's a 2px gap. The
cellspacing="2" probably does that, as does the border-collapse:separa te;
in my example.
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[Spartanicus]

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

Real content please.

As I provided with the url, didn't I.

And not in the message text didn't you.

I'm probably missing something as I don't see the problem:
http://homepage.ntlworld.ie/spartanicus/temp.htm

Well, I do see the problem: the vertical borders of the cell containing
'TV-station' don't connect with the vertical borders of the two cells in
the next row (in both Opera8.5 and FF1.5). There's a 2px gap. The
cellspacing="2 " probably does that, as does the border-collapse:separa te;
in my example.

So you've answered your own question right?
http://homepage.ntlworld.ie/spartanicus/temp.htm (updated)

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[Barbara de Zoete]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:05:28 +0100, Spartanicus <in*****@invali d.invalid>
wrote:

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

Real content please.

As I provided with the url, didn't I.

And not in the message text didn't you.

And the problem with that is?

I'm probably missing something as I don't see the problem:
http://homepage.ntlworld.ie/spartanicus/temp.htm

Well, I do see the problem: the vertical borders of the cell containing
'TV-station' don't connect with the vertical borders of the two cells in
the next row (in both Opera8.5 and FF1.5). There's a 2px gap. The
cellspacing="2" probably does that, as does the
border-collapse:separa te;
in my example.

So you've answered your own question right?
http://homepage.ntlworld.ie/spartanicus/temp.htm (updated)

Nice, but now the cellspacing throughout the table is gone. I want the
cellspacing, just not for those three cells. Looks like that cannot be
done. Neither with markup attributes/values or with css. Right?

Bummer...
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[Spartanicus]

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

Real content please.

As I provided with the url, didn't I.
And not in the message text didn't you.

And the problem with that is?

That I had to retrieve the remote document where there should have been
no need for me to do so.
I want the cellspacing

It's obvious that you are intent on making it difficult to be helped by
withholding information, as a regular you should know better. I'm not
going to try and drag it out of you by asking why. Good luck.

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[Jim Moe]

Barbara de Zoete wrote:

Here's what I'm trying to do:

Create a table with generic style property [ border-collapse:sepera te; ].
Have a few table cells in the thead that 'have to' melt into eachother, so
needing the style [ border-collapse:collap se; ].

Like this?:
<http://sohnen-moe.com/test/t.html>

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[Barbara de Zoete]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:36:36 +0100, Jim Moe
<jm************ ***@sohnen-moe.com> wrote:

Barbara de Zoete wrote:

Here's what I'm trying to do:
Create a table with generic style property [ border-collapse:sepera te;
].
Have a few table cells in the thead that 'have to' melt into eachother,
so
needing the style [ border-collapse:collap se; ].

Like this?:
<http://sohnen-moe.com/test/t.html>

Nice try, but no, that is not it. That solid border is something quite
different from the separate inset borders I'm after. I know the 'ascii-art
thingy' didn't have separate borders, but the example at
<URL:http://www.pretletters .net/_test/testing_data_ta bles.REKAM_freq uenties.html>
does. And the text explains it too.

Thanks for trying though.

Anyone else wants to have a go at this? It seems so simple a task, and
yet...

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[Barbara de Zoete]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:19:22 +0100, Spartanicus <in*****@invali d.invalid>
wrote:

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

> Real content please.

As I provided with the url, didn't I.

And not in the message text didn't you.

And the problem with that is?

That I had to retrieve the remote document where there should have been
no need for me to do so.

That's a rather weird response comming from you. If no URL is provided in
a request for help, the only response people get from especially you is
'Please provide URL'. The complaint in that case being 'I had to copy and
past your content from your post to a text document, save it as html and
then open it in my browser.'
Now a URL *is* provided and you come back with 'I had to retrieve the
remote document'. Please make up your mind to what you prefer.

I want the cellspacing

It's obvious that you are intent on making it difficult to be helped by
withholding information,

See, that's why I provided the URL,

<URL:http://www.pretletters .net/_test/testing_data_ta bles.REKAM_freq uenties.html>

because in that example it is obvious I want some cellspacing. Helping
myself by helping those who _want_to_help_ by providing a live example is
exactly what one is supposed to do.

Don't be so grumpy Spartanicus. There is absolutely no reason to be like
this. It is a rather tough puzzle and I can't solve it, and by the looks
of it, neither can you. That's okay. It's just a puzzle.
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[Spartanicus]

"Barbara de Zoete" <tr******@pretl etters.net> wrote:

>> Real content please.
>
> As I provided with the url, didn't I.

And not in the message text didn't you.

And the problem with that is?
That I had to retrieve the remote document where there should have been
no need for me to do so.

That's a rather weird response comming from you. If no URL is provided in
a request for help, the only response people get from especially you is
'Please provide URL'. The complaint in that case being 'I had to copy and
past your content from your post to a text document, save it as html and
then open it in my browser.'
Now a URL *is* provided and you come back with 'I had to retrieve the
remote document'.

This type of question on presentation does not benefit from uploaded
example code, an in-message ascii drawing or uploaded graphic drawing is
required to know what is wanted. [1]

I didn't see any problem in creating the look you wanted, so I created a
test case to make sure. It provided the look as set out per your
requirements, and then I thought "hold on, is this correct markup?", I
then had to retrieve the example code to see if that contained real
content, and in the process noticed that the ascii drawing was not what
you were actually trying to do.

[1] Accompanied with any further requirements that cannot be expressed
in a drawing, and the reason for same, both you failed to provide.

I want the cellspacing

It's obvious that you are intent on making it difficult to be helped by
withholding information,

See, that's why I provided the URL,

<URL:http://www.pretletters .net/_test/testing_data_ta bles.REKAM_freq uenties.html>

because in that example it is obvious I want some cellspacing.

It may be to you, it's a mystery to me.
Don't be so grumpy Spartanicus.
Pot, kettle.
It is a rather tough puzzle and I can't solve it, and by the looks
of it, neither can you.

Solving a puzzle requires having all the pieces, you are continuing to
withhold required pieces.

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