I am a bit curious about this.
The graphic design people I work with say it is their preferred font for
web pages. The reason being that it is "kinder" to the eye both in terms
of shape and size.
The HTML "hardcore elititst" profess that it is a useless font because
it is too big compared to other fonts.
Personally I do not care one way or the other, but I generally trust
graphic designers more than programmers and rules lawyers when it comes
to pure design.
It seems to me that the only argument against using Verdana is that a
large number of browsers do not support it and therefore it causes their
pages to render with a very small font.
Can anyone honestly say they do not have the Verdana font installed?
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"kchayka" wrote in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets:weather.com falls into that group, methinks. But since their latest bit
of redesign, I'm actively looking for another weather source.
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SeaPlusPlus <Se*********@ho tmail.com> posted: Truth is h1 through h6 is just a syntax handle to designate font and
font size (among other properties) larger and smaller.
The *truth* is that h tags are *not* font tags, they're *heading*
elements--they're "headings" for some adjacent content. As such, it's
complete nonsense for them to be smaller, by default (or otherwise) than
the adjacent text. The bad examples demonstrated by various browsers are
not any justifiable support for any notion that it's a good idea for
headings to be smaller than body text.
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me wrote: Thank you. We are in agreement that millions of successful sites
that enjoy great popularity use fixed font sizes and non-fluid
layouts.
Yep, I knew you'd try and figure out a way to turn that around...
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> wrote in message
news:3a******** *****@individua l.net... me wrote: Thank you. We are in agreement that millions of successful sites
that enjoy great popularity use fixed font sizes and non-fluid
layouts.
Yep, I knew you'd try and figure out a way to turn that around...
I concluded that we agreed on this point, am I wrong? My original point was
only an acknowledgement of the wide spread use of those methods of site
design.
Signed,
me
In article <11************ @corp.supernews .com>, anonymous@_.com enlightened
us with...
When all the popular kids did drugs (got drunk, got laid, whatever) in
school, did you do it, too?
There are a lot of valid reasons to do things.
"Because other people do it" isn't one of them.
I infer from your comment that you disagree but you didn't specify exactly
how.
I don't necessarily disagree with your statement that a lot of sites do
certain things. I disagree only with the notion that just because they do
things, you should do them or it is acceptable to do them. Whatever that
"them" might be.
If all the "popular" sites started using Flash navigation, that wouldn't make
it okay in general for any one site to use Flash navigation. You have to
individually look at what a site is meant to do, who it is geared for, and so
on. Same goes for javascript. A lot of sites use javascript, but if they use
it to do base functionality (that is, if you disable script, their site
breaks), there are serious cons to that. Whether those cons are enough to
change the design to not rely on script is highly application dependent. That
goes for anything, be it script, flash, applets, or hard-coded fonts. If you
get a lot of visually impaired visitors, they'll get pretty pissed about
hard-coded fonts. If you don't, I bet no one will even notice.
My 2 cents.
I'm not as purist as most people in this NG, but I don't see a reason to use
something simply because it *can* be used. And I am highly into doing the
most you can do to ensure your stuff doesn't kill people's browsers, even if
the browsers are old. May not WORK in them, but it shouldn't crash them,
either. If I can make a site do all I want it to do (or, more importantly,
all my client wants it to do) AND validate AND work in the most browsers, I
do that.
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me wrote: "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> wrote in
message news:3a******** *****@individua l.net...
me wrote:
Thank you. We are in agreement that millions of successful
sites that enjoy great popularity use fixed font sizes and
non-fluid layouts.
Yep, I knew you'd try and figure out a way to turn that around...
I concluded that we agreed on this point, am I wrong? My original
point was only an acknowledgement of the wide spread use of those
methods of site design.
The only thing we agree upon is that millions of sites use fixed font
sizes (and non-fluid layouts, which is another subject). We do not
agree that this is the reason for their popularity.
Popularity can only be gained by the content itself, by the reputation
of the company, and by the lack of such content and reputation elsewhere.
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In article <11************ *@corp.supernew s.com>, anonymous@_.com enlightened
us with... We may just as well assume that if they really want to buy that
[product] they will *endure* it.
Or override the font size *if* they require it.
They can't (at least in MSIE, still the most used browser out there).
That's the problem with fixed font sizes. If they could just change it, it
wouldn't be an issue.
All they can do is use their own style sheet altogether, which would totally
break those types of layouts to the point of unusability.
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, kaeli wrote: Or override the font size *if* they require it.
They can't (at least in MSIE, still the most used browser out there).
Overriding fixed font sizing is in the accessibility menu. There are
also 3rd-party add-ons to make it easier (sorry, don't have a URL
handy, 'cause I rarely use IE, other than for applying security fixes
to Windoze).
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> wrote in message
news:3a******** *****@individua l.net... me wrote: "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> wrote in
message news:3a******** *****@individua l.net...
me wrote:
Thank you. We are in agreement that millions of successful
sites that enjoy great popularity use fixed font sizes and
non-fluid layouts.
Yep, I knew you'd try and figure out a way to turn that around...
I concluded that we agreed on this point, am I wrong? My original
point was only an acknowledgement of the wide spread use of those
methods of site design.
The only thing we agree upon is that millions of sites use fixed font
sizes (and non-fluid layouts, which is another subject). We do not
agree that this is the reason for their popularity.
I never said that was the *reason* for their popularity. If fluid design and
propotional fonts are superior then that would be the preominate design
method at popular sites (or all sites), but it's not is it?
Popularity can only be gained by the content itself, by the reputation
of the company, and by the lack of such content and reputation elsewhere.
Agreed. If visitors feel sufficiently motivated they may go elsewhere. IMO
if there were sufficient evidence that the use of fixed font sizes and
non-fluid site design were hurting their sites then designers of popular
sites may well abandon those methods. If that happens I will too.
Signed,
me
"kaeli" <ti******@NOSPA M.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@nntp.lucent.c om... In article <11************ *@corp.supernew s.com>, anonymous@_.com
enlightened us with... We may just as well assume that if they really want to buy that
[product] they will *endure* it.
Or override the font size *if* they require it.
They can't (at least in MSIE, still the most used browser out there).
That's the problem with fixed font sizes. If they could just change it, it
wouldn't be an issue.
I can do it in IE: Tools, Options, Accesibility, Ignore font sizes.
All they can do is use their own style sheet altogether, which would
totally break those types of layouts to the point of unusability.
Please give example URL of a popular site broken to the point of being
unusable by overriding font size.
Signed,
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