375  18218 
Agreed. PROGRESS is what, 1% of the market these days? Hardly a contender
among the "big three".
Strange -- yet another automobile analogy -- GM/Ford/DaimlerChrysler ,
Honda/Toyota/Nissan, BMW/Mercedes/Audi, etc.
Stranger -- I just realized I'm wearing a Progress ASPEN 2000 T-shirt.
--
Matt
"Larry" <la***@nospam.n et> wrote in message
news:j%******** **********@fe08 .lga... Well ... that's fair enough. Very fair. I just don't consider Oracle,
SQL Server, or DB2 in that category.
Larry E.
rkusenet wrote:
"Larry" <la***@nospam.n et> wrote in message
news:aV******** ***********@fe0 8.lga...
You're "analogy" doesn't really work ... when was the last time you
went shopping for a car where
Sorry ... you can keep coming back to challenge if you want. Go talk
to Gartner or one of the big consulting firms and ask them if DB2 is a
good investment as a rdmbs ... and whether they think IBM will be
around for awhile to support it.
My analogy was not talking about DB2 in particular. I was talking about
general principles followed when going for a RDBMS.
I have been to situations when the customer told us to make our product
work with
SQL Server bcos they enterprise standard is oracle/sql server and not
informix.
A friend of mine works in PROGRESS technology and he too is saying that
many customers tell them to make their product work with SQL Server or
Oracle. His company is going to release their next version with O and
SS. So I guess it will be a question of time before they kiss goodbye to
Progress.
You don't think market share has anything to do with it.
DA Morgan wrote:
That was, I thought, my point. Interviews I have conducted indicate that
people 90+% of the time prefer that which they know the most because
they have learned the workarounds and can overlook the warts.
I have used windows a very long time, but now, I'm using linux and
MacOSX. I detest windows(, not Microsoft, but windows). Still, I used it
a lot and still prefer linux and even MacOSX (which is faaaar less in
usage time than windows) over windows. And trust me, you'll need some
workarounds for windows. So this theory of usage vs. preferation is
bullocks in my opinion.
Stil, admitted, if you use something, and are not aware of the
alternatives, you'd most likely prefer what you're using at that moment.
-R-
DA Morgan wrote:
That was, I thought, my point. Interviews I have conducted indicate that
people 90+% of the time prefer that which they know the most because
they have learned the workarounds and can overlook the warts.
Of course the still doesn't mean I don't have a wire or a screw loose. ;-)
No it doesn't. :)
I finally got your point - took me three more times to read the original
replay, though - maybe my English screw was in metric?
--
Regards,
Frank van Bortel
Captain Pedantic wrote: "DA Morgan" <da******@psoug .org> wrote in message
news:1123597724 .916135@yasure. ..
Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would
be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far
more experience with product A than B but prefer B.
I have far more experience with ugly women than attractive ones. But I
prefer attractive ones.
If you put lipstick on a pig, you have a pig wearing lipstick.
But if you get drunk enough, va-va-VOOM! Just ask Kermit.
jg
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@home.com is bogus.
I've heard of dated mainframes, but that would be ridiculous.
<jo********@hom e.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...
Captain Pedantic wrote: "DA Morgan" <da******@psoug .org> wrote in message
news:1123597724 .916135@yasure. .. >
> Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would
> be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far
> more experience with product A than B but prefer B.
I have far more experience with ugly women than attractive ones. But I
prefer attractive ones.
If you put lipstick on a pig, you have a pig wearing lipstick.
But if you get drunk enough, va-va-VOOM! Just ask Kermit
Indeed!
Q. What's the difference between a dog and a fox?
A. About 5 pints.
On 10 Aug 2005 11:19:31 -0700, jo********@home .com wrote: But if you get drunk enough, va-va-VOOM
Who gets drunk? The pig or the frog?
--
Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA
> While I can understand where you are coming from when you say many people feel that mainframes are "dated", that doesn't drive the rdbms business.
I do feel sorry if this is how my message was interpretated.
Perception of value and of the most suitable platform to run a database on
is what drives customer investment. Many customers to this day still feel
that the mainframe is the best place for apps that require the ultimate in
security, availability, reliability, and performance. That is the reason
that we still see growth on mainframe platforms.
I agree it is just perceptions. Mainframe being the only place to get RAS is
one of them. Funny you talked about performance. The cost/performance
picture is not exactly pretty on mainframe, when compared to x86 or RISC
platforms. Yes, there is growth in mainframe. In fact, there is growth in
virtually all platforms. The unit sales per year for mainframe is measured
in thousands, while other major server platforms are measured in millions.
I have far more experience with Oracle (10 years) than DB2. Having used
DB2 for 2 years I have now come to the feeling that DB2 is easier to
use than Oracle. However this is DB2 on OS400 on iSeries. I suspect DB2
on some other platform would be about equal with Oracle for ease of use.
Bob Jones wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from when you say many people
feel that mainframes are "dated", that doesn't drive the rdbms business.
I do feel sorry if this is how my message was interpretated.
Perception of value and of the most suitable platform to run a database on
is what drives customer investment. Many customers to this day still feel
that the mainframe is the best place for apps that require the ultimate in
security, availability, reliability, and performance. That is the reason
that we still see growth on mainframe platforms.
I agree it is just perceptions. Mainframe being the only place to get RAS is
one of them. Funny you talked about performance. The cost/performance
picture is not exactly pretty on mainframe, when compared to x86 or RISC
platforms. Yes, there is growth in mainframe. In fact, there is growth in
virtually all platforms. The unit sales per year for mainframe is measured
in thousands, while other major server platforms are measured in millions.
Bob,
Again you are very vague here.
cost/performance of what?
I have seen figures that mips , all included (labor, number of users
supported) are cheaper on a MF than on a PC.
Seriously, are your going to tell a large bank or insurance company,
that they should swap a mainframe for let's say 10.000 PC's?
OK, I agree it would be very good for companies selling IT services and
PC software.
--
Anton Versteeg
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