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Serge Rielau wrote: In 10 years there will be a lot more XQuery.
I fear who reigns RDBMS in 10-15 years is as interesting as IMS
marketshare.
Cheers
Serge
I don't think so. XQuery will not stand the test of time any more
than storying XML in the database will. XML was developed for a
purpose. Storing it and querying it makes no sense, wastes resources,
and is highly inefficient.
--
Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: XML was developed for a
purpose. Storing it and querying it makes no >sense, wastes resources,
and is highly inefficient.
Thank you Daniel, I thought either my current project had driven me
insane or I had gone too soft in the head to understand these
newfangled concepts.
But, the Customer's Dollars are Always Right!
Art S. Kagel wrote:
[comments about what IBM will do with IDS]
This sounds quite a bit like what Oracle did with the Rdb intellectual
property. It took a number of years and a couple of versions, but
eventually a lot migrated to Oracle and into new patents, while Rdb
provided a typical mature product cash flow. Must still be one of the
best $100M Larry ever spent.
jg
--
@home.com is bogus. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...rimary_doc.xml
> IBM created the World's Chess Champion.
If they want to make DB2 the world's database champion, they will do
so...with ease.
Let's go buddy boy!
My 9.2.0.6 instance emits " e4 "
bka wrote: Bobtdbb wrote:
2005 (Colleen Graham) -- "Much of IBM's growth was generated by its DB2
on the zSeries"
You seem to be quoting selectively. Colleen also wrote: "IBM's DB2
sales on the UNIX platform performed well with nearly 9 percent
growth,"
last time i checked "most" meant more than 50%. could be lots more.
could be that UNIX is insignificant. and so forth.
didn't say that non Big Iron had disappeared. but it might.
BobTheDataBaseB oy
"bka" <ba*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 49g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Nevertheless, it (Oracle) RUNS on mainframes. Which makes your
claim above totally false.
runs, stumbles or crawls?
Are you sure it is not mainframe that crawls?
"DA Morgan" <da******@psoug .org> wrote in message
news:1122535579 .736040@yasure. .. Not the case at all. I'll bet hard dollars that when Oracle
get done fusing Oracle Apps with PeopleSoft ... some of what
will disappear is existing Oracle Apps replaced by superior
PeopleSoft design.
Informix will be lucky if it gets the respect Oracle has
given to RDB. More likely it will be to IBM what Fox is
to Microsoft. And that is a shame.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
Peoplesoft is already superior to Oracle HR, but Oracle is pushing their HR
package over Peoplesoft.
IBM has already incorporated many Informix features into DB2 and more are in
development. This was the plan from day 1, since the buyout was mostly
because of the intellectual capital they got from Informix.
There are more and more Informix compatibility syntax commands in the DB2
products, as documented in the manuals.
"DA Morgan" <da******@psoug .org> wrote in message
news:1122536353 .139043@yasure. ..
Even if your statements are correct I don't believe it is going to
happen that way.
Lets say I have DB2 in my facility ... I was at a major IBM shop in
Portland Oregon three weeks ago that is precisely that.
And lets say the CTO isn't a software bigot but rather has his
corporation's best interests at heart. The CTO has a choice ... hire
young inexperienced talent and train them up to the level of those of
us in our 50s and 60s on mainframes which means also teaching COBOL, CICS,
MVS JCL, OS/390, z/OS, TSO, VSAM, IMS, REXX, ISPF, and CLISTS
or get already trained talent straight out of a college program.
Lets say the CFO of the firm has a choice of maintaining big iron
with attendant costs in infrastructure including power conditioning,
air conditioning, etc. or can build a mainframe from 2 proc or 4 proc
commodity hardware for a fraction of the cost and get the same
computing power at a fraction of the cost. Look at the number of
super computers now build from commodity hardware for example.
And lets say the Board of Directors is paying attention to the fact
that reducing costs increases the value per share of the stock which
is their fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders the direction
is clear.
The number of DBAs required in the future is going down like the
value of Sun Microsystems stock.
So yes there will be holes in the organization created. But I've yet
to meet the CTO whose solution was to incur the cost of training on
mainframe technologies. Heck most won't even pay money to train their
existing staff and they too need it.
It is all about dollars.
The C-Level management is looking out for the bottom line.
We need to be look out for our mortgage payments.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
You seem to be talking about DB2 for Linux, UNIX, and Windows (LUW) and DB2
for z/OS as if they are one product and confusing the entire issue we are
discussing.
Secondly, DB2 on both the mainframe and LUW is far easier to learn and
administer than Oracle, at least for now. As Oracle gets easier to use, the
number of people required to administer it (DBA's) will decrease.
"DA Morgan" <da******@psoug .org> wrote in message
news:1122572784 .900901@yasure. .. Knut Stolze wrote:
That's a nice flamewar here. Let's fan it some more... ;-)
Your metric doesn't mean anything useful. As you are surely aware, the
number of books probably only says samething about the number of *bad*
book
being available - not about the number of good and useful books, which is
undoubtedly rather small for Oracle too. (I'm inclined to agree that
there
might be more useful Oracle books out there than for DB2.)
Another idea is: why are so many books needed for Oracle in the first
place? Makes me wonder. ;-)
By all means ... why not. But not a bit of this is flames. No one is
saying your product is garbage and ours is gooder. This is simple
statements of fact you can verify with any web browser.
Books (bookstores and amazon.com) and employment opportunities
(dice.com, monster.com, hotjobs.com) are a direct measure of
the vibrancy of the user community.
There are few DB2 books because the user community is aging baby-boomers
such as myself who know enough to get by until retirement. There are few
newbies coming into the marketplace.
Look at my reference to training classes at colleges and universities.
We don't teach DB2 for a reason: No one cares. Students don't care and
employers don't care. And yes we have surveyed employers from the San
Francisco Bay area up to Seattle and while there are some big shops with
DB2 and mainframes ... they don't produce 1% of the demand created by
those hiring SQL Server and Oracle.
The reason there are so many books on Oracle is not what you assume though
I suspect your statement disingenuous but rather that the product
line is so broad.
There are books on SQL and PL/SQL. There are books on high availability
options such as RAC, DataGuard and RMAN, there are books on App Server,
books on Java and JDeveloper, books on Performance Tuning, books on
efficient design.
So, for a single example, why are there no books on efficient design
with DB2? No one is designing new apps? No one cares about efficiency?
Or perhaps those my age that have 10+ years under their belt are just
marking time until they can go fishing.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
http://www.psoug.org
da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Oracle has more books and IBM has more consultants.
you could at least make your trolling a little less obvious:
- stating that the number of books = product viability is pretty
primitive logic. I think most of us are aware of the connection
between name recognition and massive book purchases by aspiring
technologies (see all the php/mysql books for dummies, etc).
- stating that ibm is only good at mainframes will be caught by
anyone paying attention to the industry - and familiar with
Power5/PowerPC CPUs, pseries & xseries hardware, websphere, db2, etc.
- stating that you actually like db2 and then complaining about ibm's
marketing is bizarre. The only database that's got more low-key
marketing than db2 is postgresql - and it doesn't have a vendor! Well,
ok - Informix marketing is even more low-key, but that's a separate
issue.
Isn't there some other group you could go spend time at for a while?
Perhaps go to some islamic/hindi/budhist group and tell them that their
god is irrelevant because you found more 10x as many books on
christianity as their religion?
DA Morgan wrote: Data Goob wrote:
Even if your statements are correct ( following the trend here :-) DB2
scales better than Oracle, or SQL-Server.
And looking at Microsoft as the poster-child for this discussion lets
agree that superior technology has never one the day over superior
marketing. Ask the fine people who developed Fox how they feel about
MS Access. Or the fine people who developed OS/2 about Windows. Or
even your new friends at Informix how they feel about DB2. ;-)
I'm betting the Informix developers like DB2 way more now than they
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