Given that UNIX, including networking, is almost entirely coded in C,
how come so many things are almost impossible in ordinary C? Examples:
Network and internet access, access to UNIX interprocess controls and
communication, locale determination, EBCDIC/ASCII discrimination, etc.
Almost all of these are easy in Perl. Why isn't there a mechanism like
perl modules to allow easy extentions for facilities like these? Isn't
anyone working on this problem? or is it all being left for proprietary
systems?
Sep 2 '08
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Ben Bacarisse <be********@bsb .me.ukwrote:
This is the elephant in the room as far as C is concerned. Because
there is no agreed way to program a flexible array, a list or a map,
everyone writes their own, or uses a published one that is
incompatible with all the other published ones out there. It is often
a lot of work just to coax two libraries to work together.
It's an elephant, all right: it's strong, it's intelligent, and if you
want to handle it professionally you'd better know what you're doing.
But if you want to go into the jungle, there's nothing better, not even
a military-designed vehicle.
Richard
"Bartc" <bc@freeuk.comw rote:
"James Kuyper" <ja*********@ve rizon.netwrote in message
Can you see the difference between my re-write and what he actually said?
Do you understand that your statements apply only to my rewrite, and not
to the original? I only changed a few words, but the result is that it
converts a legitimate point of view (which I don't fully share) into a
statement that could only be made by an idiot.
It's not too hard to read between the lines of the original. Clearly he has
the skills to put across what he thinks without making any hard and fast
commitments.
It's also not hard to read between the lines of those clamouring for
wholesale changes to the Standard, and seeing there that they're
compensating for their small reproductive members and the lack of love
they got from their mothers. But that would be equally unwarranted as
your jumping to conclusions about Doug Gwyn.
Tact and diplomacy I think it's called.
No, it's called post-modernism. It works in literary criticism, but not
in computer science, where we're supposed to get things done instead of
just stating our opinions again and again.
Richard
jacob navia <ja***@nospam.c omwrote: la************@ siemens.com wrote:
jacob navia <ja***@nospam.c omwrote:
I need 10 thousand euros (15 000 US$) to buy the AFNOR
(French ISO organization) to present my proposal after
I got sponsored by some company.
That's not necessary -- committee meetings are open to the public.
If the public can afford the trip, obviously.
I proposed that they set up a web site or similar place
where we could propose things (since they do not bother
to read comp.std.c as I heard in that group in the last
discussion)
Whereas I propose that, since you get money from your C implementation
(however much or little - it really does not matter, it's a point of
principle, not centimes), you stop freeloading already and shell out for
the tools of your trade. It's easy to demand of others that they do your
will, but if you want to prosper by those demands, that's no longer
called arrogance, it's called slave-driving, and it's as illegal in
France as anywhere else. _You_ want this, _you_ use it for monetary
gain, _you_ stump up the ante. Nobody else.
No answer.
I wait without bating my breath.
Richard
Richard Bos wrote:
It's also not hard to read between the lines of those clamouring for
wholesale changes to the Standard, and seeing there that they're
compensating for their small reproductive members and the lack of love
they got from their mothers.
That was funny bos. Just keep the good work.
:-)
--
jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32
On Sep 4, 8:12*pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:
<snip>
... [C is] also a really-nice-to-have for reading technical docs, since
they are often illustrated with C fragments (cases in point:
Aho-Sethi-Ullman (the Dragon Book), Petzold (Programming Windows), Knuth
(TAOCP)).
TAOCP uses C?
<snip>
--
Nick Keighley
On Sep 4, 6:32*pm, Antoninus Twink <nos...@nospam. invalidwrote:
On *4 Sep 2008 at 17:14, jacob navia wrote:
Antoninus Twink wrote:
And before you know it, you've got a horrible mess...
If you do not know how to stop!
Sure... unfortunately the main historical example is Bjarne Stroustoup,
who definitely didn't know how to stop!
what about Alogol-68!
Personally I see nothing wrong with writing
C-with-the-odd-nice-C++-feature and compiling it with a C++ compiler.
definitly not Jacob's view
--
Nick Keighley
Nick Keighley said:
On Sep 4, 8:12 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:
<snip>
>... [C is] also a really-nice-to-have for reading technical docs, since
they are often illustrated with C fragments (cases in point:
Aho-Sethi-Ullman (the Dragon Book), Petzold (Programming Windows), Knuth
(TAOCP)).
TAOCP uses C?
Yes, albeit rarely. (That's how I got my cheque - by spotting a bug in C
code.)
--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 05:25 -0700, Nick Keighley wrote:
On Sep 4, 8:12 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:
<snip>
... [C is] also a really-nice-to-have for reading technical docs, since
they are often illustrated with C fragments (cases in point:
Aho-Sethi-Ullman (the Dragon Book), Petzold (Programming Windows), Knuth
(TAOCP)).
TAOCP uses C?
<snip>
I think he did once in the chapter introducing MIX, when explaining
why he chose to make up a language instead of using one. (IIRC, he
said something like "There's a good argument for using C, but..."
and proceeded to say something that sounded reasonable the last time
I read it.)
--
Andrew Poelstra <ap*******@wpso ftware.com>
To email me, change .net to .com in the above address.
On Sep 4, 8:47*pm, "Malcolm McLean" <regniz...@btin ternet.comwrote :
"Richard Heathfield" <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote in message news
Malcolm McLean said:
I trust you are now joining the campaign for 64 bit ints.
Why? They're legal already. In any case, one day they will be too small..
Think the campaign for real ale rather than the campaign to free the weed..
I don't think we will actually run out of integers with 64 bits. With 32
bits yes, you can't quite give one to everyone in the world. But 64 bits
aren't going to have that problem for a long time yet.
so why did IPv6 use 128 bits?
--
Nick Keighley
jacob navia <ja***@nospam.c omwrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
It's also not hard to read between the lines of those clamouring for
wholesale changes to the Standard, and seeing there that they're
compensating for their small reproductive members and the lack of love
they got from their mothers.
That was funny bos. Just keep the good work.
My name, unlike yours, is spelled with an initial capital. Please have
the decency.
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