I've read K&R, what now?

[gillisct]

I'd like to say I have a basic control of the C language. Is there any
reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

Are there any projects someone new to C could study/watch over/ and
eventually contribute to in order to get a grip on the development
process and/or expand their knowledge?

Thank you.

[Ian Collins]

gi******@gmail. com wrote:

I'd like to say I have a basic control of the C language. Is there any
reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

Have you gone though the exercises?

Are there any projects someone new to C could study/watch over/ and
eventually contribute to in order to get a grip on the development
process and/or expand their knowledge?

Probably too many to summarise. Have a look on sourceforge, there are
quite a few small projects on the go there.

--
Ian Collins.

[gillisct]

I've gone through most of the exercises, yeah. The only ones I didn't
do were the ones where the solution were immediately obvious.

[kaby]

On May 31, 3:44 pm, gilli...@gmail. com wrote:

I've gone through most of the exercises, yeah. The only ones I didn't
do were the ones where the solution were immediately obvious.

So you do know every nuances in C ^-^
Maybe you should have a look on computer architecture and assembly to
dig deeper.

[Richard Heathfield]

gi******@gmail. com said:

I'd like to say I have a basic control of the C language.

That's good. If you've done most of the exercises, that's actually
amazing.

Is there any reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/portable/...s.php#RecBooks

Are there any projects someone new to C could study/watch over/ and
eventually contribute to in order to get a grip on the development
process and/or expand their knowledge?

That's probably a good way to pick up lots of bad habits real fast. I'm
not saying you shouldn't do it, but if I were you I'd keep a close eye
on comp.lang.c for quite a while yet - if K&R is like learning to
drive, clc is a bit like a driving test (although we don't actually
offer certification as such[1]!). We tend to spot *everything* you're
doing wrong, and we write it all down too. It can be a disspiriting
experience at first, but you'll be a better C programmer as a result.
[1] Perhaps we should.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.

[Roland Pibinger]

On 31 May 2007 00:03:45 -0700, gi******@gmail. com wrote:

>I'd like to say I have a basic control of the C language. Is there any
reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

Read it (better study it) again ;-)

>Are there any projects someone new to C could study/watch over/ and
eventually contribute to in order to get a grip on the development
process and/or expand their knowledge?

You should take a look at a real-world C program that is not too large
and written in decent C. JSON-C (http://oss.metaparadigm.com/json-c/)
is a candidate. It implements routines for handling the JSON protocol
(http://www.json.org/). You may start by browsing the source code and
trying to understand at least parts of it, e.g. 'arraylist' or
'linkhash'.

Good luck!
--
Roland Pibinger
"The best software is simple, elegant, and full of drama" - Grady Booch

[CBFalconer]

Richard Heathfield wrote:

gi******@gmail. com said:

.... snip ...

>

>Are there any projects someone new to C could study/watch over/
and eventually contribute to in order to get a grip on the
development process and/or expand their knowledge?

That's probably a good way to pick up lots of bad habits real fast.
I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but if I were you I'd keep a
close eye on comp.lang.c for quite a while yet - if K&R is like
learning to drive, clc is a bit like a driving test (although we
don't actually offer certification as such[1]!). We tend to spot
*everything* you're doing wrong, and we write it all down too. It
can be a disspiriting experience at first, but you'll be a better
C programmer as a result.

[1] Perhaps we should.

Probably not. It would be a full time job just separating the
faulty corrections.

The OP can also snoop around my publications, on:

<http://cbfalconer.home .att.net/download/>

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[Tor Rustad]

Richard Heathfield wrote:

[Warning: I did post a replay via google, but that one never appeared]

gi******@gmail. com said:

>I'd like to say I have a basic control of the C language.

That's good. If you've done most of the exercises, that's actually
amazing.

>Is there any reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/portable/...s.php#RecBooks

OK, I will walk through this list:
1. C Programming: A Modern Approach, K.N.King
2. C: How to Program, 2nd Ed. Deitel, H.M. & Deitel

Comment (1 & 2): These two books after K&R2, shouldn't be needed.
3. The C Programming Language, 2nd Ed. Kernighan & Ritchie.

Comment: N/A. (OP has already read this one)
4. C: A Reference Manual, 4th Ed. Harbison & Steele

Comment: OP don't need H&S now, just use K&R2.
5. The Standard C Library. P.J.Plauger

Comment: I read this one too early myself, and it was too advanced. I
would suggest 2-3 years of C experience first.
6. C Programming FAQs Steve Summit.

Comment: Very useful resource at this stage for OP.
7. ISO/IEC 9899:1999 ISO.

Comment: Latest draft is available online, likely a far too advanced
text for beginners.
8. C Traps and Pitfalls. Andrew Koenig

Comment: Nice little book, not a must read now.
9. Expert C Programming: Deep C Secrets, Peter van der Linden

Comment: Excellent & funny book, but not recommended for beginners.
10. Problem Solving And Program Design In C, 2nd Ed. Hanly & Koffman.

Comment: N/A (I don't have that book)
11. Algorithms in C, 3rd Ed. Robert Sedgewick

Comment: Excellent book, if OP is interested in algorithms
12. C Unleashed, Heathfield, Kirby et al,

Comment: Thick as a brick, with some nice real-world code in it.
Readable after K&R2, and can be used as murder weapon too.
13. Software Solutions in C, ed Dale Schumacher

Comment: N/A
14. Programs and Data Structures in C, Leendert Ammeraal.

Comment: I haven't this book either, but IMO a book on Data Structures
is the natural step after K&R2.
15. Numerical Recipes in C

Comment: Mainly relevant for physics and chemistry students, not the
place to learn C.

That completes the recommendations from Richard H., which lack any
references to platform-dependent coding, if OP is using UNIX/Linux, a
book on POSIX (e.g. Stevens APUE http://www.kohala.com/start/) is much
more useful, than many of the above suggestions.

--
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[Richard Heathfield]

Tor Rustad said:

Richard Heathfield wrote:

[Warning: I did post a replay via google, but that one never appeared]

>gi******@gmail. com said:

>>I'd like to say I have a basic control of the C language.

That's good. If you've done most of the exercises, that's actually
amazing.

>>Is there any reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/portable/...s.php#RecBooks

OK, I will walk through this list:

<snip>

>
7. ISO/IEC 9899:1999 ISO.

Comment: Latest draft is available online, likely a far too advanced
text for beginners.

He's hardly a beginner. He's completed almost all the exercises in K&R2!

9. Expert C Programming: Deep C Secrets, Peter van der Linden

Comment: Excellent & funny book, but not recommended for beginners.

Aye. But again, he's not a beginner. Actually, this one is recommended a
lot, but personally I think it's a bit too eccentric to make a good
followup to K&R2. It is a good book, no question about that, but it's
more of a book that you'd read on a long train journey or, say, to
while away an hour or so at a party - the kitchen is a good place for
this, since you can usually find a spare bottle or two of wine.

11. Algorithms in C, 3rd Ed. Robert Sedgewick

Comment: Excellent book, if OP is interested in algorithms

If he isn't, he sure picked a funny career.

13. Software Solutions in C, ed Dale Schumacher

Comment: N/A

Fabulous book. Well worth the trouble it will take to find a copy.

14. Programs and Data Structures in C, Leendert Ammeraal.

Comment: I haven't this book either, but IMO a book on Data Structures
is the natural step after K&R2.

I do have a copy, and it's first-class.

15. Numerical Recipes in C

Comment: Mainly relevant for physics and chemistry students, not the
place to learn C.

Yeah, I ought to strip that off the list, really.

That completes the recommendations from Richard H., which lack any
references to platform-dependent coding, if OP is using UNIX/Linux, a
book on POSIX (e.g. Stevens APUE http://www.kohala.com/start/) is much
more useful, than many of the above suggestions.

Well, this is a platform-independent group. If I were pushed for
platform-specific recommendations , I would start off by saying APUE to
the POSIX people, PW (Petzold, 5th edition ONLY) to the Win32 people,
and UNP to both groups (yes, even the Win32 people, and even though
porting the code from one to the other isn't entirely effortless).

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.

[Michael]

Is there any reccomended reading upon completion of K&R?

I would also add Writing Solid Code by Steve Maguire.

Michael