Web pages for mobile devices

[cj2]

I saw a MS demo a few years back where they developed a web page and the
software automatically rendered it for different devices. Is this what
I'm looking for?

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

Much of the info looks old. I have a MSDN account where can I download
it or is it already in VS 2008 and I just don't know how to find it?

I'm mainly interested in having simple pages render in Internet Explorer
on our PCs and on blackberries but it would be great if it also was able
to be accessed on other devices like Palm products or even just cell phones.

[Munna]

Hi,

"Is this what I'm looking for? http://www.asp.net/mobile/ "
asp.net mobile extention of asp.net is a separate set of controls and
framework specialty design for mobile
even vs2008 by default don't have the project and item template in
side asp.net item template...
but you can download and install these templates from here
from http://blogs.msdn.com/webdevtools/ar...udio-2008.aspx
Best of luck

-------
Munna

www.munna.shatkotha.com/blog
www.munna.shatkotha.com
www.shatkotha.com

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

Hi Cj,

As for ASP.NET Mobile Web application development, the information you
found on the following site are most for old ASP.NET 1.x mobile web app dev:

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

I've ever recieved from questions about Mobile web application development
from some other customers. Based on some discussion with the development
team, I think currently, for server-side web application development,
there will not produce any more Mobile specific/dedicated packages(like the
original Mobile internet controls...). This is because these days, more and
more smart device is supporting html/xhtml well and the original WAP only
device is no longer the situation. Also, from ASP.NET 2.0, page/control is
providing an adaptable model, that means you can write control adapter for
different target device(html, wap or ....). That also makes it less useful
to provide a mobile only control collecction.

In addition, currently, it is more encouraged to develop smart client
application (rich client) for smart device instead of web application(since
ASPX page is good enough for web application).

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
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>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:54:36 -0400
From: cj2 <cj*@nospam.nospam>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Web pages for mobile devices

>
I saw a MS demo a few years back where they developed a web page and the
software automatically rendered it for different devices. Is this what
I'm looking for?

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

Much of the info looks old. I have a MSDN account where can I download
it or is it already in VS 2008 and I just don't know how to find it?

I'm mainly interested in having simple pages render in Internet Explorer
on our PCs and on blackberries but it would be great if it also was able
to be accessed on other devices like Palm products or even just cell

phones.

>

[cj2]

Thanks
Steven Cheng [MSFT] wrote:

Hi Cj,

As for ASP.NET Mobile Web application development, the information you
found on the following site are most for old ASP.NET 1.x mobile web app dev:

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

I've ever recieved from questions about Mobile web application development
from some other customers. Based on some discussion with the development
team, I think currently, for server-side web application development,
there will not produce any more Mobile specific/dedicated packages(like the
original Mobile internet controls...). This is because these days, more and
more smart device is supporting html/xhtml well and the original WAP only
device is no longer the situation. Also, from ASP.NET 2.0, page/control is
providing an adaptable model, that means you can write control adapter for
different target device(html, wap or ....). That also makes it less useful
to provide a mobile only control collecction.

In addition, currently, it is more encouraged to develop smart client
application (rich client) for smart device instead of web application(since
ASPX page is good enough for web application).

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
ms****@microsoft.com.

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>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:54:36 -0400
From: cj2 <cj*@nospam.nospam>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Web pages for mobile devices

>I saw a MS demo a few years back where they developed a web page and the
software automatically rendered it for different devices. Is this what
I'm looking for?

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

Much of the info looks old. I have a MSDN account where can I download
it or is it already in VS 2008 and I just don't know how to find it?

I'm mainly interested in having simple pages render in Internet Explorer
on our PCs and on blackberries but it would be great if it also was able
to be accessed on other devices like Palm products or even just cell

phones.

[Jeffry van de Vuurst]

Hi Steven,

Just as cj2 I was also a bit confused about the state of mobile web
development with asp.net 2.0. I also found the outdated web page.

However, there's also up to date information on MSDN regarding mobile
controls, i.e. the System.Web.Mobile namespace:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...eb.mobile.aspx

Furthermore, if you create a website in Visual Studio 2005 it
automaticall adds Mobile Web Forms to your toolbox and you can add
Mobile specific items to the project. Is this deprecated or still
relevant?

Or maybe in other words. If I want to build for newer mobile devices
(e.g. Windows Mobile 5/6, Blackberry, iPhone), can I just work with
the standard asp.net controls and don't worry about the specific
mobile controls?

Thanks,

--
Jeffry van de Vuurst
CWR Mobility BV
www.cwrmobility.com/weblog

CWR Mobile CRM for Dynamics CRM 3 and 4, now available for CRM Online!
--

On 21 jul, 05:05, [e-mail] (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
wrote:

Hi Cj,

As forASP.NETMobileWeb application development, the information you
found on the following site are most for oldASP.NET1.xmobileweb app dev:

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

I've ever recieved from questions aboutMobileweb application development
from some other customers. Based on some discussion with the development
team, I *think currently, for server-side web application development,
there will not produce any moreMobilespecific/dedicated packages(like the
originalMobileinternet controls...). This is because these days, more and
more smart device is supporting html/xhtml well and the original WAP only
device is no longer the situation. *Also, fromASP.NET2.0, page/control is
providing an adaptable model, *that means you can write control adapterfor
different target device(html, wap or ....). That also makes it less useful
to provide amobileonly control collecction. *

In addition, currently, it is more encouraged to develop smart client
application (rich client) for smart device instead of web application(since
ASPX page is good enough for web application).

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead

Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
[e-mail].

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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:54:36 -0400
From: cj2 <[e-mail]>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
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Subject: Web pages formobiledevices

I saw a MS demo a few years back where they developed a web page and the
software automatically rendered it for different devices. *Is this what
I'm looking for?

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

Much of the info looks old. *I have a MSDN account where can I download
it or is it already in VS 2008 and I just don't know how to find it?

I'm mainly interested in having simple pages render in Internet Explorer
on our PCs and on blackberries but it would be great if it also was able
to be accessed on other devices like Palm products or even just cell

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[cj2]

I took it from Steven's reply that those higher end phones like
blackberries and phones of the near future are made to show normal web
sites. I haven't gotten my blackberry yet so I really have to wonder
how well it'll show a web site. I don't know what is being done these
days but as more people in the company get blackberries and after hours
support and notification of system problems continues to be a major
concern I can see where a web app that could be accessed from the phone
would be great for managing things on the go.

Steven are we right--just use standard asp.net controls?
Jeffry van de Vuurst wrote:

Hi Steven,

Just as cj2 I was also a bit confused about the state of mobile web
development with asp.net 2.0. I also found the outdated web page.

However, there's also up to date information on MSDN regarding mobile
controls, i.e. the System.Web.Mobile namespace:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...eb.mobile.aspx

Furthermore, if you create a website in Visual Studio 2005 it
automaticall adds Mobile Web Forms to your toolbox and you can add
Mobile specific items to the project. Is this deprecated or still
relevant?

Or maybe in other words. If I want to build for newer mobile devices
(e.g. Windows Mobile 5/6, Blackberry, iPhone), can I just work with
the standard asp.net controls and don't worry about the specific
mobile controls?

Thanks,

--
Jeffry van de Vuurst
CWR Mobility BV
www.cwrmobility.com/weblog

CWR Mobile CRM for Dynamics CRM 3 and 4, now available for CRM Online!
--

On 21 jul, 05:05, [e-mail] (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
wrote:

>Hi Cj,

As forASP.NETMobileWeb application development, the information you
found on the following site are most for oldASP.NET1.xmobileweb app dev:

http://www.asp.net/mobile/

I've ever recieved from questions aboutMobileweb application development
from some other customers. Based on some discussion with the development
team, I think currently, for server-side web application development,
there will not produce any moreMobilespecific/dedicated packages(like the
originalMobileinternet controls...). This is because these days, more and
more smart device is supporting html/xhtml well and the original WAP only
device is no longer the situation. Also, fromASP.NET2.0, page/control is
providing an adaptable model, that means you can write control adapter for
different target device(html, wap or ....). That also makes it less useful
to provide amobileonly control collecction.

In addition, currently, it is more encouraged to develop smart client
application (rich client) for smart device instead of web application(since
ASPX page is good enough for web application).

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead

Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
[e-mail].

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>>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:54:36 -0400
From: cj2 <[e-mail]>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Web pages formobiledevices
I saw a MS demo a few years back where they developed a web page and the
software automatically rendered it for different devices. Is this what
I'm looking for?
http://www.asp.net/mobile/
Much of the info looks old. I have a MSDN account where can I download
it or is it already in VS 2008 and I just don't know how to find it?
I'm mainly interested in having simple pages render in Internet Explorer
on our PCs and on blackberries but it would be great if it also was able
to be accessed on other devices like Palm products or even just cell

phones.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

Hi Cj and Jeffry,

Sure, you can build a standard ASP.NET web application for your mobile
devices. The important point is that you need to verify your potential
client devices and ensure they support html/xhtml. If that's not a problem,
ASP.NET standard website works pretty well(the default html adapter).

Actually, even for non-html devices, you cannot extend those standard
ASP.NET control via the control adapters:

#Extreme ASP.NET Control Adapters
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163543.aspx

http://www.ddj.com/web-development/201202758

you can create different adapters for standard ASP.NET controls so that
they'll output different kind of markup depend on the client device. Also,
the original mobile control's source code has been opened for this so that
the developers can refer to how to implement such adapter:

#ASP.NET Mobile Controls XHTML Adapter Source
http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/d...63F-7C8D-4B26-
A440-400E03CED4CB&displaylang=en

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
ms****@microsoft.com.

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>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:26:30 -0400
From: cj2 <cj*@nospam.nospam>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: Web pages for mobile devices

>I took it from Steven's reply that those higher end phones like
blackberries and phones of the near future are made to show normal web
sites. I haven't gotten my blackberry yet so I really have to wonder
how well it'll show a web site. I don't know what is being done these
days but as more people in the company get blackberries and after hours
support and notification of system problems continues to be a major
concern I can see where a web app that could be accessed from the phone
would be great for managing things on the go.

Steven are we right--just use standard asp.net controls?
Jeffry van de Vuurst wrote:

>Hi Steven,

Just as cj2 I was also a bit confused about the state of mobile web
development with asp.net 2.0. I also found the outdated web page.

However, there's also up to date information on MSDN regarding mobile
controls, i.e. the System.Web.Mobile namespace:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...eb.mobile.aspx

Furthermore, if you create a website in Visual Studio 2005 it
automaticall adds Mobile Web Forms to your toolbox and you can add
Mobile specific items to the project. Is this deprecated or still
relevant?

Or maybe in other words. If I want to build for newer mobile devices
(e.g. Windows Mobile 5/6, Blackberry, iPhone), can I just work with
the standard asp.net controls and don't worry about the specific
mobile controls?

Thanks,

[cj2]

thanks Steven

Steven Cheng [MSFT] wrote:

Hi Cj and Jeffry,

Sure, you can build a standard ASP.NET web application for your mobile
devices. The important point is that you need to verify your potential
client devices and ensure they support html/xhtml. If that's not a problem,
ASP.NET standard website works pretty well(the default html adapter).

Actually, even for non-html devices, you cannot extend those standard
ASP.NET control via the control adapters:

#Extreme ASP.NET Control Adapters
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163543.aspx

http://www.ddj.com/web-development/201202758

you can create different adapters for standard ASP.NET controls so that
they'll output different kind of markup depend on the client device. Also,
the original mobile control's source code has been opened for this so that
the developers can refer to how to implement such adapter:

#ASP.NET Mobile Controls XHTML Adapter Source
http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/d...63F-7C8D-4B26-
A440-400E03CED4CB&displaylang=en

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
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>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:26:30 -0400
From: cj2 <cj*@nospam.nospam>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: Web pages for mobile devices

>I took it from Steven's reply that those higher end phones like
blackberries and phones of the near future are made to show normal web
sites. I haven't gotten my blackberry yet so I really have to wonder
how well it'll show a web site. I don't know what is being done these
days but as more people in the company get blackberries and after hours
support and notification of system problems continues to be a major
concern I can see where a web app that could be accessed from the phone
would be great for managing things on the go.

Steven are we right--just use standard asp.net controls?
Jeffry van de Vuurst wrote:

>>Hi Steven,

Just as cj2 I was also a bit confused about the state of mobile web
development with asp.net 2.0. I also found the outdated web page.

However, there's also up to date information on MSDN regarding mobile
controls, i.e. the System.Web.Mobile namespace:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...eb.mobile.aspx

Furthermore, if you create a website in Visual Studio 2005 it
automaticall adds Mobile Web Forms to your toolbox and you can add
Mobile specific items to the project. Is this deprecated or still
relevant?

Or maybe in other words. If I want to build for newer mobile devices
(e.g. Windows Mobile 5/6, Blackberry, iPhone), can I just work with
the standard asp.net controls and don't worry about the specific
mobile controls?

Thanks,