Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#? I
know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that a
company would split its programming technologies like that.
Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance benefit
to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up. I
actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out a
little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.
I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've been
considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic
experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and
convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up the
new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.
Nov 17 '05
34  3150 
That's a good example. In VB you have one symbol to remember, while in C#
you have two.
Normal people know what = means.
Then in C# it's just one more thing you have to learn that's not very
intuitive for most people: the difference between = and ==.
Sure it's not hard to learn, but it's just one more step in having to
geekify yourself. You have to think like a computer, instead of the other
way around.
In VB there is one easily recognizable (=) symbol and you just have to think
about whether you're giving a command to the computer or asking a question
of it. And of course normally you'd have an IF statement in there somewhere
when you're asking a question.
There is plenty of confusing syntax in C#. For instance those darn curly
braces. They are everywhere! The only thing they ever have in common is
opening and closing some kind of block of code. But which kind? If you see
a closing curly brace you've got to scroll back up to where the block
started to find out, which may or may not be easy depending on how long the
block is and how the programmer formatted the text. The only consistently
easy way is if you put a comment after the curly brace that specifies which
block of code is being closed. I see this frequently in C#.
VB is more self documenting. You know what block is closing because it
explicitly says END IF, or NEXT, or LOOP. No comment necessary, and VS.NET
formats it all very nicely and consistently for you in case you do want to
see the beginning of the code block.
And those darn semicolons! What's the point? There's a reason it's named
the "Enter" key!
Of course we're nitpicking now. I'm sure we could go back and forth about
such minor annoyances.
My main point is that you shouldn't have to learn to think like a computer
in order to get them to do useful things for you. One day we won't have to.
You'll simply tell your computer what you want it to do and it will do it.
Computers are getting more and more user friendly and "intelligen t" all the
time. Even C# is an example of this trend. VB.NET is simply a better
example of it.
--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD http://Steve.Orr.net
"John Kraft" <jh*****@ilstu. edu> wrote in message
news:bh******** **@malachite.il stu.edu... Steve C. Orr, MCSD wrote:
There's no reason to be intimidated by all the keywords in VB.NET.
Many of them are leftovers from VB6 and before. They still exist for
backward compatibility & such.
Many of them are now somewhat redundant and unnecessary - but it's nice
to have options.
You can learn those extra keywords if you want, but you don't need to
know most of them to be a good VB programmer.
You're right that C# has less keywords - but many more symbols that you
must memorize, and they can mean different things in different contexts.
Can you give some examples? I think VB is worse at this than C#. One
of the biggest problems I have in VB is determining whether a line of
code is assigning a value or doing a comparison... or more specifically,
how the compiler will treat such code.
I saw a line of code once that said something like:
var1 = (var2 = var3 + var4)
and I was confused for quite some time as to what would happen with the
code.
In C#, the = and == are quite different and a line of code like above
would be far more clear.
John
what a dork. If you want to see how good he really is instead of his mouth.
Go visit that piece of crap website of his. Before you take any of these
pompous a$$es advice always check their work. I'm of cours eusing the word
"work" very liberally here.
How's that for debate ORR you pompous A$$
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:eN******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P12.phx.gbl... That's a good example. In VB you have one symbol to remember, while in C#
you have two.
Normal people know what = means.
Then in C# it's just one more thing you have to learn that's not very
intuitive for most people: the difference between = and ==.
Sure it's not hard to learn, but it's just one more step in having to
geekify yourself. You have to think like a computer, instead of the other
way around.
In VB there is one easily recognizable (=) symbol and you just have to
think about whether you're giving a command to the computer or asking a question
of it. And of course normally you'd have an IF statement in there
somewhere when you're asking a question.
There is plenty of confusing syntax in C#. For instance those darn curly
braces. They are everywhere! The only thing they ever have in common is
opening and closing some kind of block of code. But which kind? If you
see a closing curly brace you've got to scroll back up to where the block
started to find out, which may or may not be easy depending on how long
the block is and how the programmer formatted the text. The only consistently
easy way is if you put a comment after the curly brace that specifies
which block of code is being closed. I see this frequently in C#.
VB is more self documenting. You know what block is closing because it
explicitly says END IF, or NEXT, or LOOP. No comment necessary, and
VS.NET formats it all very nicely and consistently for you in case you do want to
see the beginning of the code block.
And those darn semicolons! What's the point? There's a reason it's named
the "Enter" key!
Of course we're nitpicking now. I'm sure we could go back and forth about
such minor annoyances.
My main point is that you shouldn't have to learn to think like a computer
in order to get them to do useful things for you. One day we won't have
to. You'll simply tell your computer what you want it to do and it will do it.
Computers are getting more and more user friendly and "intelligen t" all
the time. Even C# is an example of this trend. VB.NET is simply a better
example of it.
--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"John Kraft" <jh*****@ilstu. edu> wrote in message
news:bh******** **@malachite.il stu.edu... Steve C. Orr, MCSD wrote:
There's no reason to be intimidated by all the keywords in VB.NET.
Many of them are leftovers from VB6 and before. They still exist for
backward compatibility & such.
Many of them are now somewhat redundant and unnecessary - but it's
nice to have options.
You can learn those extra keywords if you want, but you don't need to know most of them to be a good VB programmer.
You're right that C# has less keywords - but many more symbols that
you must memorize, and they can mean different things in different contexts.
Can you give some examples? I think VB is worse at this than C#. One
of the biggest problems I have in VB is determining whether a line of
code is assigning a value or doing a comparison... or more specifically,
how the compiler will treat such code.
I saw a line of code once that said something like:
var1 = (var2 = var3 + var4)
and I was confused for quite some time as to what would happen with the
code.
In C#, the = and == are quite different and a line of code like above
would be far more clear.
John
Name calling: What an impressive display of your personality and maturity
level.
I'm glad I don't work with you.
Every newsgroup is for discussion/debate! That's why they exist!
There is almost always more than one way to solve a programming problem and
I enjoy reading different people's opinions about which techniques are
superior in different situations. If you don't enjoy that then I don't know
what you're doing in here.
I happen to feel VB.NET is superior for ASP.NET development. That's why I'm
here stating my case in this newsgroup. I'll admit that C# is somewhat
superior for some other kinds of programming, but that's a bit off topic.
I don't read every message in every thread. I tend to read the ones I find
interesting and ignore the ones that I find to be boring or annoying. I
suggest you do the same.
--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD http://Steve.Orr.net
"Seaside" <ss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:OU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl... This newsgroup is not for debate! Look at its charter. Take your debate
and cram it you pompous a$$.
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. .. Didn't your mother ever tell you what to do if you don't have anything
nice to say?
Modern society is based on debate.
What would America be today if there was no Democrats vs. Republicans,
or Science vs. Religion?
I can't quite imagine what that would be like, but it seems quite boring
to me.
If you can't handle intelligent debate then perhaps it's because you
lack the necessary prerequisite.
Even if I disagree with some of the posts in this thread, at least I
respect the authors for contributing some intelligent thought and discussion,
unlike your posts which seem to have no value beyond insulting people.
--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Seaside" <ss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. > you to read this thread
you mean dribble don't you? a forum for pompous a$$es to tell everyone
why they think their way is the only way....what a bunch of pious holier than though crap.
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..
> Lighten up! There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate. Nobody is
forcing
.
>
> --
> I hope this helps,
> Steve C. Orr, MCSD
> http://Steve.Orr.net
>
>
> "Seaside" <ss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
> news:ee******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..
> > let's rename this thread ...let's call it the pompous a$$ thread.
Well I just got a compliment about my web site from several high quality
developers earlier today. And you haven't demonstrated any kind of
knowledge or skill so far, so your opinion doesn't mean much to me in
comparison.
I don't see any address listed for your web site. Is there a reason for
that? Do you even know how to make web sites? Or perhaps you're just too
ashamed to show us. I suppose its much easier to criticize others so I
guess you're just sticking to what you're good at. I can't blame you.
--
Steve C. Orr, MCSD http://Steve.Orr.net
"Seaside" <ss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. what a dork. If you want to see how good he really is instead of his
mouth. Go visit that piece of crap website of his. Before you take any of these
pompous a$$es advice always check their work. I'm of cours eusing the word
"work" very liberally here.
How's that for debate ORR you pompous A$$
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:eN******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P12.phx.gbl... That's a good example. In VB you have one symbol to remember, while in
C# you have two.
Normal people know what = means.
Then in C# it's just one more thing you have to learn that's not very
intuitive for most people: the difference between = and ==.
Sure it's not hard to learn, but it's just one more step in having to
geekify yourself. You have to think like a computer, instead of the
other way around.
In VB there is one easily recognizable (=) symbol and you just have to
think about whether you're giving a command to the computer or asking a
question of it. And of course normally you'd have an IF statement in there
somewhere when you're asking a question.
There is plenty of confusing syntax in C#. For instance those darn
curly braces. They are everywhere! The only thing they ever have in common
is opening and closing some kind of block of code. But which kind? If you
see a closing curly brace you've got to scroll back up to where the block
started to find out, which may or may not be easy depending on how long
the block is and how the programmer formatted the text. The only
consistently easy way is if you put a comment after the curly brace that specifies
which block of code is being closed. I see this frequently in C#.
VB is more self documenting. You know what block is closing because it
explicitly says END IF, or NEXT, or LOOP. No comment necessary, and
VS.NET formats it all very nicely and consistently for you in case you do want
to see the beginning of the code block.
And those darn semicolons! What's the point? There's a reason it's
named the "Enter" key!
Of course we're nitpicking now. I'm sure we could go back and forth
about such minor annoyances.
My main point is that you shouldn't have to learn to think like a
computer in order to get them to do useful things for you. One day we won't have
to. You'll simply tell your computer what you want it to do and it will do
it. Computers are getting more and more user friendly and "intelligen t" all
the time. Even C# is an example of this trend. VB.NET is simply a better
example of it.
--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"John Kraft" <jh*****@ilstu. edu> wrote in message
news:bh******** **@malachite.il stu.edu... Steve C. Orr, MCSD wrote:
> There's no reason to be intimidated by all the keywords in VB.NET.
> Many of them are leftovers from VB6 and before. They still exist
for > backward compatibility & such.
> Many of them are now somewhat redundant and unnecessary - but it's nice to > have options.
> You can learn those extra keywords if you want, but you don't need
to know > most of them to be a good VB programmer.
> You're right that C# has less keywords - but many more symbols that
you must > memorize, and they can mean different things in different contexts.
Can you give some examples? I think VB is worse at this than C#. One
of the biggest problems I have in VB is determining whether a line of
code is assigning a value or doing a comparison... or more
specifically, how the compiler will treat such code.
I saw a line of code once that said something like:
var1 = (var2 = var3 + var4)
and I was confused for quite some time as to what would happen with
the code.
In C#, the = and == are quite different and a line of code like above
would be far more clear.
John
There are no editors available that create "good" code. Tools like
Visual Studio simply help eliminate syntax errors.
What makes a good programmer is one that understands the purpose of
the program they are coding and builds it to the best use of the
machinery and the users. All languages have their pros and cons, but
a good programmer knows how to construct robust programs with whatever
tools they have. Tools that reduce compilation problems allow more
time for the important testing requirements. Forcing yourself to slave
over syntax when it's not necessary isn't very good programming.
There's way more important things to worry about than syntax!
VB or C# - get over it.
Been there, done that!
John Kraft <jh*****@ilstu. edu> wrote in message news:<bh******* ***@malachite.i lstu.edu>... Steve C. Orr, MCSD wrote: I suppose if you assume we're all using notepad then your argument holds
water.
But I'm a real programmer that uses real programming tools because that's
what makes sense.
That doesn't make me lazy, it makes me efficient.
I certainly was not calling you lazy. I was simply pointing out that
niceties like visual studio, while nice and efficient to use, tend to
breed laziness. Just like a person will spend 20 minutes searching for
the remote control rather than getting up off the couch and changing the
channel manually.
However, since I am not a real programmer, I tend to attempt to force
myself to write code as best I can with as little help from the editor
as possible. I do, however, rely on context sensitive coloring because
I am slightly dislexic and tend to mistype words.
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