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Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#? I
know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that a
company would split its programming technologies like that.

Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance benefit
to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up. I
actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out a
little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.

I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've been
considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic
experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and
convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up the
new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.


Nov 17 '05 #1
34 3129
If you're on the job hunt, you'll increase your chances of landing a job by
being able to say that you know both languages instead of just one.
Then again there's something to be said for being a specialist. There is
only so much time to learn. You may not want to become a jack of all trades
but master of none.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Eric Wise" <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM> wrote in message
news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#? I
know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that a
company would split its programming technologies like that.

Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance benefit to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up. I
actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out a
little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.

I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've been
considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic
experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and
convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up the new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.

Nov 17 '05 #2
I worked recently at a company that dropped VB.NET in favor of C#. We
dropped VB.NET becuase of the amount of code that VB.NET required to do
some amazingly simple things (which, btw, is something that even MSFT has
acknowledged and on the roadmap, have said they will *fix*). Knowing both
has helped me, but given the choice, I would have never picked up VB at
all...

Just in general, I have found that C# is easier to follow and much more
logical and concise than VB is. Not to mention... XML Documnetation.. .
Plus, as many of us know... never rely on MSFT to actually stick to a
roadmap for anything. Just because one document says that this *feature*
will be in the next version, don't think that there won't be another one
that denies it. ;)

(Just think back to the release of WinME, you know, the revolutionary OS
that was supposed to be entirely 32-bit based and stable? ;) )

Bill P.

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:05:24 -0400, Eric Wise <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM>
wrote:
Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#? I
know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that
a
company would split its programming technologies like that.

Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance
benefit
to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up.
I
actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out a
little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.

I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've been
considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic
experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and
convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up
the
new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.



--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Nov 17 '05 #3
VB.NET is a little more verbose if that's what you mean. But that also
makes the code more readable and self documenting. (Although I'm still glad
VB.NET will be getting the XML documentation feature in the next version.)
Just because the code is a little more verbose doesn't necessarily mean you
have to do more typing. The VS.NET editor is more friendly with VB.NET than
C# and will write much of the code for you.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Bill Priess" <no*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:oprs60xlkf cimqky@localhos t...
I worked recently at a company that dropped VB.NET in favor of C#. We
dropped VB.NET becuase of the amount of code that VB.NET required to do
some amazingly simple things (which, btw, is something that even MSFT has
acknowledged and on the roadmap, have said they will *fix*). Knowing both
has helped me, but given the choice, I would have never picked up VB at
all...

Just in general, I have found that C# is easier to follow and much more
logical and concise than VB is. Not to mention... XML Documnetation.. .
Plus, as many of us know... never rely on MSFT to actually stick to a
roadmap for anything. Just because one document says that this *feature*
will be in the next version, don't think that there won't be another one
that denies it. ;)

(Just think back to the release of WinME, you know, the revolutionary OS
that was supposed to be entirely 32-bit based and stable? ;) )

Bill P.

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:05:24 -0400, Eric Wise <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM>
wrote:
Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#? I know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that
a
company would split its programming technologies like that.

Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance
benefit
to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up.
I
actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out a
little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.

I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've been
considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic
experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and
convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up
the
new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.



--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Nov 17 '05 #4
>Now that's efficiency.

And in the end... that is what is important. :)
Efficiency and quality.

C# or VB.NET... I choose vb.net. Coding less and do the same thing? Why not?
:)

I'll have less OverTime on the end of the month :)

Joao Cardoso (MVP dotNET)
=============== =============== =============== ==========
[LusoCoders]- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lusocoders/
[PontoNetPT]- http://www.programando.net/regras.aspx
jj***@acinet.pt .nospam - www.acinet.pt
=============== =============== =============== ==========
Nov 17 '05 #5
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message news:<e5******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl>. ..

I'd be genuinely interested to see some examples of tasks that can be
performed more quickly in VB.

Thanks,

John

PS. Although, of course, it does save you all that time declaring your
variables.... (wry grin)
With VB.NET you can develop web applications faster than you can with C#.
Now that's efficiency.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Mark Heimonen" <ma***@adiaim.c om> wrote in message
news:eD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
Our company has developed mostly in VB.NET, but our latest projects are
being written in C#. We have projects that are half VB/half C#.
Personally, I'm starting to use C# whenever I can. It just seems more
efficient to me.

There's a new roadmap available:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx

It seems like C# is becoming a more "Advanced" language, while vb.net is
being targetted towards non-coders. True, the capabilities of both
languages are very similar, but I would recommend making the switch if it

is
at all possible.

-Mark
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:ub******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
If you're on the job hunt, you'll increase your chances of landing a job by being able to say that you know both languages instead of just one.
Then again there's something to be said for being a specialist. There is
only so much time to learn. You may not want to become a jack of all trades but master of none.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Eric Wise" <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM> wrote in message
news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#? I > know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that
a > company would split its programming technologies like that.
>
> Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance benefit > to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up.
I > actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out a > little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.
>
> I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've been > considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic
> experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and
> convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up

the > new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.
>
>
>
>


Nov 17 '05 #6
I can mention 1 task in particular that can be performed much more quickly
in VB.Net: Typing code. Since you don't have to worry about case, you (at
least I) can type your code a heck of a lot faster.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Complex things are made up of
lots of simple things.

"John Sparrow" <js******@eccle scollege.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:13******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message news:<e5******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl>. ..
I'd be genuinely interested to see some examples of tasks that can be
performed more quickly in VB.

Thanks,

John

PS. Although, of course, it does save you all that time declaring your
variables.... (wry grin)
With VB.NET you can develop web applications faster than you can with C#. Now that's efficiency.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Mark Heimonen" <ma***@adiaim.c om> wrote in message
news:eD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
Our company has developed mostly in VB.NET, but our latest projects are being written in C#. We have projects that are half VB/half C#.
Personally, I'm starting to use C# whenever I can. It just seems more
efficient to me.

There's a new roadmap available:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx

It seems like C# is becoming a more "Advanced" language, while vb.net is being targetted towards non-coders. True, the capabilities of both
languages are very similar, but I would recommend making the switch if it
is
at all possible.

-Mark
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:ub******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> If you're on the job hunt, you'll increase your chances of landing a
job by
> being able to say that you know both languages instead of just one.
> Then again there's something to be said for being a specialist.
There is > only so much time to learn. You may not want to become a jack of all trades
> but master of none.
>
> --
> I hope this helps,
> Steve C. Orr, MCSD
> http://Steve.Orr.net
>
>
> "Eric Wise" <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM> wrote in message
> news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and
C#? I
> > know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to
imagine that
a
> > company would split its programming technologies like that.
> >
> > Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any
performance benefit
> > to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to
pick up.
I
> > actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance
out a
> > little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.
> >
> > I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net.
I've been
> > considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only
academic > > experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and > > convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to

pick up

the
> > new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Nov 17 '05 #7
There are so many things that are easier and quicker to do in VB.NET

Here's one: Debugging.
The VS.NET designer catches most VB.NET syntax errors as I'm typing them,
where as you have to wait until compile time and then get them all thrown at
you at once. Then you have to retrace your steps and go back to fix them
all, which could have a domino effect and require you to go back and change
other related things too. What a waste of time!

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net

"John Sparrow" <js******@eccle scollege.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:13******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message news:<e5******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl>. ..
I'd be genuinely interested to see some examples of tasks that can be
performed more quickly in VB.

Thanks,

John

PS. Although, of course, it does save you all that time declaring your
variables.... (wry grin)
With VB.NET you can develop web applications faster than you can with C#. Now that's efficiency.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Mark Heimonen" <ma***@adiaim.c om> wrote in message
news:eD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
Our company has developed mostly in VB.NET, but our latest projects are being written in C#. We have projects that are half VB/half C#.
Personally, I'm starting to use C# whenever I can. It just seems more
efficient to me.

There's a new roadmap available:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx

It seems like C# is becoming a more "Advanced" language, while vb.net is being targetted towards non-coders. True, the capabilities of both
languages are very similar, but I would recommend making the switch if it
is
at all possible.

-Mark
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
news:ub******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> If you're on the job hunt, you'll increase your chances of landing a
job by
> being able to say that you know both languages instead of just one.
> Then again there's something to be said for being a specialist.
There is > only so much time to learn. You may not want to become a jack of all trades
> but master of none.
>
> --
> I hope this helps,
> Steve C. Orr, MCSD
> http://Steve.Orr.net
>
>
> "Eric Wise" <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM> wrote in message
> news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and
C#? I
> > know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to
imagine that
a
> > company would split its programming technologies like that.
> >
> > Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any
performance benefit
> > to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to
pick up.
I
> > actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance
out a
> > little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.
> >
> > I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net.
I've been
> > considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only
academic > > experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and > > convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to

pick up

the
> > new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Nov 17 '05 #8
Steve, have you actually opened up a C# project in VS and tried it??
It's got the same Intellisence features VB has!!

Yes, C# is case sensitive, but again that is all sorted by
intellisence. When you need to type
"LoadPageStateF romPersistenceM edium" just type "lo" (lower case) and
pick it from the list. Sorted.

I even opened up a VB project to see if there was something amazing I
was missing out on. The behaviour is identical!!

John

"Kevin Spencer" <ke***@takempis .com> wrote in message news:<uR******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP12.phx.gbl>. ..
I can mention 1 task in particular that can be performed much more quickly
in VB.Net: Typing code. Since you don't have to worry about case, you (at
least I) can type your code a heck of a lot faster.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Complex things are made up of
lots of simple things.

"John Sparrow" <js******@eccle scollege.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:13******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
"Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message

news:<e5******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl>. ..

I'd be genuinely interested to see some examples of tasks that can be
performed more quickly in VB.

Thanks,

John

PS. Although, of course, it does save you all that time declaring your
variables.... (wry grin)
With VB.NET you can develop web applications faster than you can with C#. Now that's efficiency.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Mark Heimonen" <ma***@adiaim.c om> wrote in message
news:eD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
> Our company has developed mostly in VB.NET, but our latest projects are > being written in C#. We have projects that are half VB/half C#.
> Personally, I'm starting to use C# whenever I can. It just seems more
> efficient to me.
>
> There's a new roadmap available:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx
>
> It seems like C# is becoming a more "Advanced" language, while vb.net is > being targetted towards non-coders. True, the capabilities of both
> languages are very similar, but I would recommend making the switch if it
is > at all possible.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> "Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
> news:ub******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > If you're on the job hunt, you'll increase your chances of landing a job
by > > being able to say that you know both languages instead of just one.
> > Then again there's something to be said for being a specialist. There is > > only so much time to learn. You may not want to become a jack of all
trades > > but master of none.
> >
> > --
> > I hope this helps,
> > Steve C. Orr, MCSD
> > http://Steve.Orr.net
> >
> >
> > "Eric Wise" <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM> wrote in message
> > news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both VB and C#?
I > > > know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to imagine that
a
> > > company would split its programming technologies like that.
> > >
> > > Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any performance
benefit > > > to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language to pick up.
I
> > > actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance out
a > > > little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.
> > >
> > > I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb .net. I've
been > > > considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have only academic > > > experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples and > > > convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for me to pick up

the
> > > new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Nov 17 '05 #9
Ahh, but there is one of the great things about C-based languages... case-
sensitivity allows for mixed case variables... _someVariable and
_SomeVariable are two distinct entities.

As for VB/Boolean/Intellisense... C'mon.. have we gotten so bad that we can
not type 4 or 5 characters? ;) (had to lighten this up...)
Bill P.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:41:13 -0400, msnews.microsof t.com
<cd*******@hotm ail.com> wrote:
Actually, C#'s intellisense, in my experience, is not quite as good as
VB's.
Three examples come to mind:

1) In VB, if I define a boolean variable and later in the prcoedure go to
assign a value to it, VB gives me a list of True or False after I type
the
assignment operator - C# doesn't do this.

2) If I define an Enum type and declare a variable of that type, when I
go
to assign a value to that variable in VB, I get a dropdown list of valid
values for that type. I don't get this in C#.

3) And then there's the case-seinsitivity thing. In VB, I can declare a
variable, say _someVariable, and later on I can just type the whole thing
in
lower case and VB knows what variable I mean and it will automatically
correct the case to match the way I declared it and provide any
applicable
intellisense. In C#, if I don't type it the same way it was declared, I
don't get any intellisense dropdown because C# considers it a different
variable.

Chris G.

"John Sparrow" <js******@eccle scollege.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:13******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Steve, have you actually opened up a C# project in VS and tried it??
It's got the same Intellisence features VB has!!

Yes, C# is case sensitive, but again that is all sorted by
intellisence. When you need to type
"LoadPageStateF romPersistenceM edium" just type "lo" (lower case) and
pick it from the list. Sorted.

I even opened up a VB project to see if there was something amazing I
was missing out on. The behaviour is identical!!

John

"Kevin Spencer" <ke***@takempis .com> wrote in message

news:<uR******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP12.phx.gbl>. ..
> I can mention 1 task in particular that can be performed much more quickly > in VB.Net: Typing code. Since you don't have to worry about case, you (at > least I) can type your code a heck of a lot faster.
>
> -- > HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> http://www.takempis.com
> Complex things are made up of
> lots of simple things.
>
> "John Sparrow" <js******@eccle scollege.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:13******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
> > "Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
> news:<e5******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl>. ..
> >
> > I'd be genuinely interested to see some examples of tasks that can

be
> > performed more quickly in VB.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
> > PS. Although, of course, it does save you all that time declaring

your
> > variables.... (wry grin)
> >
> > > With VB.NET you can develop web applications faster than you can with > C#.
> > > Now that's efficiency.
> > >
> > > -- > > > I hope this helps,
> > > Steve C. Orr, MCSD
> > > http://Steve.Orr.net
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mark Heimonen" <ma***@adiaim.c om> wrote in message
> > > news:eD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Our company has developed mostly in VB.NET, but our latest projects > are
> > > > being written in C#. We have projects that are half VB/half C#.
> > > > Personally, I'm starting to use C# whenever I can. It just

seems

more
> > > > efficient to me.
> > > >
> > > > There's a new roadmap available:
> > > >
> > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx
> > > >
> > > > It seems like C# is becoming a more "Advanced" language, while vb.net > is
> > > > being targetted towards non-coders. True, the capabilities of both > > > > languages are very similar, but I would recommend making the switch if > it
> is
> > > > at all possible.
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Steve C. Orr, MCSD" <St***@Orr.ne t> wrote in message
> > > > news:ub******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > If you're on the job hunt, you'll increase your chances of landing a > job
> by
> > > > > being able to say that you know both languages instead of just one. > > > > > Then again there's something to be said for being a

specialist.
> There is
> > > > > only so much time to learn. You may not want to become a jack of > all
> trades
> > > > > but master of none.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- > > > > > I hope this helps,
> > > > > Steve C. Orr, MCSD
> > > > > http://Steve.Orr.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Eric Wise" <NO*****@pica.a rmy.milSPAM> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Does anyone work for companies that actually implement both

VB

and
> C#?
> I
> > > > > > know that you can do this in theory, I just find it hard to
> imagine
> > > that
> > > a
> > > > > > company would split its programming technologies like that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course now with the CLR there doesn't seem to be any
> performance
> benefit
> > > > > > to using C# over VB, and VB I think is an "easier" language

to
> pick
> > > up.
> > > I
> > > > > > actually wonder if the salaries between vb.net and c# will balance > out
> a
> > > > > > little now since the language doesn't mean as much anymore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I personally am a VB developer moved into asp .net / vb

.net.
> I've
> been
> > > > > > considering going ahead and learning C# as well. I have

only
> academic
> > > > > > experience with C++, but it is enough that I can read c# examples > and
> > > > > > convert them to vb so I don't think this is a big deal for

me

to
> pick
> > > up
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > new language. Just more wondering if I should even bother.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >



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