Stop Steve, the advertising machine

[StopThisAdvertising]

Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting machine.

A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop his blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately nada.
He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.

He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie, Kristine, Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change his/hers identity over and over.

It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major player' in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .

Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as some of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me 'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I am after.

Arno R

[PC Datasheet]

I have never had a responder to "Contact me if you would like my help"
expect that I was offering free help. I get "what would be your fee to ...".
The responders are apparently smart enough to put two and two together when
they see my signature line say "Your Resource For Help With Access ....." If
you want I will start saying "Contact me if you want my help. My fees are
very reasonable." Up until now that has always been obvious to all who
contacted me and I have avoided that to not be obtrusive.

Steve
PC Datasheet

"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stone henge.ca> wrote in message
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"Larry Linson" <no****@nospam. net> wrote in message
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As a founding member of this newsgroup I can tell you that advertising has always been welcomed here. This is especially true for our MVPs who
deserve to run ads for all the good work they do. The only rule for
advertising in this newsgroup is to make sure that you put all your ads in your signature line. If you just post URLs that seem to answer a question but actually lead to an advertisement, that's OK too.
Arno was a bit over the top, but the complaint was not about advertising

in the sig line, but PCDs "call me" posts to questions without indicating that his help was not being offered for free.

John...

[Stephen Lebans]

Someone is impersonating Larry Linson again and we all know who it is.
Such an act of cowardice is what you would expect from a Troll.

--

Stephen Lebans
http://www.lebans.com
Access Code, Tips and Tricks
Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.
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"StopThisAdvert ising" <StopThisAdvert ising@DataShit> wrote in message
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Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting machine.

A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop his blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately nada. He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.

He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie, Kristine, Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change his/hers identity over and over.

It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on
advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major player' in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't
help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .

Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as some of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me
'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major
player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I am after.

Arno R
As a founding member of this newsgroup I can tell you that advertising has always been welcomed here. This is especially true for our MVPs who deserve to run ads for all the good work they do. The only rule for advertising in this newsgroup is to make sure that you put all your ads in your signature line. If you just post URLs that seem to answer a question but actually lead to an advertisement, that's OK too.

[Keith]

I wasn't going to take the bait on this thread and I don't want to offend
anyone but ...

IMHO a one liner saying 'this is too difficult to resolve here, contact me
if you want my help' is just a little too far the wrong side of the line for
me. A while ago I tried to help someone on here and the thread ended up
running to about 20 postings, just me and this other person. At the end,
she e-mailed me via my web site and asked me to take the project on. I
accepted and made money out of it. At no point did I say 'contact me if you
want my help', the free option always came first.

I usually include a link to my web site in postings and I have had people
approach me but I don't actively encourage it. This to me encapsulates the
'spirit' of this ng another poster has spoken of.

2p supplied.
Keith.

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam. spam> wrote in message
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Ignore this imbecile! Just like he says, he is not a major player in the
newsgroups; he's just a little low-life pretending to be God trying to
make
himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the language he
uses to obviously see this. Ignore him and eventually he will slither away
on his belly like any snake does.

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

you want I will start saying "Contact me if you want my help. My fees are
very reasonable." Up until now that has always been obvious to all who
contacted me and I have avoided that to not be obtrusive.

That would simply be more of a violation of the group charter/FAQ than
what you've been doing. Why not stop altogether?
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Tim Marshall]

Alan Webb wrote:

Arno,
Maybe so, but your insistence on debating everyone replying to you and
getting the last word surpasses whatever sins Steve has committed.

I have to disagree with you, Alan. The FAQ says Steve's behaviour is a
violation of the group charter. The big guns respect the charter and
don't do it, so why should Steve be permitted to do it without the
standard usenet response?
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Craig Hornish]

Hi,
Just wanted to post and opposite view of the way Steve handles this
situation.
1. I can't believe it is a big problem that anyone who contacts Steve,
doesn't have some idea that that he is in business and it will probably cost
them to design their database. I think it is apperent with the name, and
website.

2. In the post that he is responding to that contain the "Contact me"
are post that other people have responded to in a similar way. They say
something like "With what your are asking for would require you to hire
someone. Give us smaller parts of the problem:"

3. Many people have said they will not accept other peoples files. I
assume Steve would.

4. He does answer other posts, no matter what you think of them. So he
is contributing more than just an advertising platform for his signature.
Just like anyone else with a webpage link or even an MVP (I can give a
little on the MVP but it is still a form of advertising). On a quick look
he is well over 70% straight answers compaired to "contact me".

5. The posts are all responces not a stand alone post. Maybe not a big
distinction but it doesn't clutter up any lines in my Outlook Express. Only
if you open a thread do you see those posts. So it really is not that
batent.

I just read a little about the pseudonyms and will not comment on that part.

JMHO

Craig Hornish
"StopThisAdvert ising" <StopThisAdvert ising@DataShit> wrote in message
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Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting
machine.

A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop his
blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately nada.
He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to
these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.

He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie, Kristine,
Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change his/hers
identity over and over.

It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on
advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major player'
in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't
help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .

Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as some
of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me
'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major
player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I am
after.

Arno R

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

Your case your lack of
intelligence shows in the language you use. Little worms always try to make
themselves look like a big person by sprinkling their language with the
**shit** word.

And what of people who resort to baseless personal attacks and name
calling (in the post to which I am responding and others of yours on
this thread) which are _not_ based on the target's material/missives
posted on the usenet group in question?

I would say that sort of behaviour is somewhat similar to a young boy
caught with his hands on the cookie jar or found in the bathroom trying
to sneak a cigarette...

8)
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Douglas J. Steele]

You've chosen to interpret my words in your own way. That's your perogative.
It's mine to dislike your methods. End of discussion, as far as I'm
concerned.

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam. spam> wrote in message
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Doug,

With all due respect, I will take one poke at you.
<< I don't have evidence, ....>>
Don't lower yourself to the level of Arno! You are far more better than
him.

<<but I'm sure I've often seen your self-posted questions answered not
only
with some advice, but also the suggestion "contact me if you would like my
help">>
If you don't have evidence, then why do you make such a statement? Your
statement is totally false. I have NEVER included "contact me if you would
like my help" anywhere I posted a question under a pseudonym.

You must realize that even if you aren't violating the wording of the
Microsoft Rules of Conduct, you are violating the spirit. And in my

opinion,

you're definitely violating the charter for comp.database.m s-access, as
reproduced at http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm

This is a direct quote from http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm:
"The purpose of the group will be to provide technical help to people who
use Access to create simple databases as well as to people who use VBA to
create complex databases."

It can't be any clearer than that! And I don't abuse it. When all it takes
is a simple newsgroup paragraph to help a poster, I always do that freely.
When it takes more than a simple newsgroup paragraph, I offer the poster
the
option to consider hiring me. I don't gouge my customers, my fees are very
reasonable, for example, as I previously mentioned I gave that customer a
simple order entry database for $200. I have helped numerous customers who
have been very grateful. Would you like that that help be discontinued for
them?

Steve
PC Datasheet
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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam. spam> wrote in message
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> Yes, you see "Contact me if you would like my
> help" from time to time but if you determine the percentage of times
> you
> see
> this to the times I respond to posters otherwise, it is a small
> percentage.

But when your message is "contact me if you would like my help", there's

no

mention that your help would not be free.

> What makes my posts "bogus" if I post under a pseudonym? All these
> posts
> have been legitimate questions and when answered, the entire newsgroup
> community benefited from the answers. There was nothing bogus about it!

If your intent is to provide an FAQ, do so. I don't have evidence, but
I'm
sure I've often seen your self-posted questions answered not only with

some

advice, but also the suggestion "contact me if you would like my help"

You must realize that even if you aren't violating the wording of the
Microsoft Rules of Conduct, you are violating the spirit. And in my

opinion,

you're definitely violating the charter for comp.database.m s-access, as
reproduced at http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)

[Darryl Kerkeslager]

"Craig Hornish" <te**@cap-associates.com> wrote

4. He does answer other posts, no matter what you think of them. So he
is contributing more than just an advertising platform for his signature.
Just like anyone else with a webpage link or even an MVP (I can give a
little on the MVP but it is still a form of advertising). On a quick look
he is well over 70% straight answers compaired to "contact me".

I would not call the MVP sig advertising in any way. From what I have seen
of the quality of posts from those with the MVP sig, it is well-deserved
recognition of their expertise and their helpfulness. To a newbie to this
group, or to any other MS-related group, it is a good indicator that the
person who is replying to you knows what the hell they are talking about.
If I were to go to a SQL Server, Word, Excel, or Outlook group, knowing none
of the posters, I would know right away that I could rely on the post from a
person who has the MVP designation. Nothing is universal, but from this NG,
that is my experience. For what its worth, and I know I have not read every
post, I do not recall ever having seen one of the MVPs flame, or be
discourteous (unnecessarily) . Further, I have seen quite a number of humble
"I don't knows".

The MVP sig is a service and a recognition *by others*. That's quite
different.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager

Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

[John Marshall, MVP]

"Craig Hornish" <te**@cap-associates.com> wrote in message
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Hi,
Just wanted to post and opposite view of the way Steve handles this
situation.

1. I can't believe it is a big problem that anyone who contacts Steve,
doesn't have some idea that that he is in business and it will probably
cost them to design their database. I think it is apperent with the name,
and website.
The issue is the solicitation. If one person does it, why can't everyone and
you will end up with a newsgroup full of ads rather than questions and
answers.
2. In the post that he is responding to that contain the "Contact me"
are post that other people have responded to in a similar way. They say
something like "With what your are asking for would require you to hire
someone. Give us smaller parts of the problem:"
That is two different scenarios. The first is looking for business and the
second is indicating that the request is vague and the poster would get free
help if he could be more specific in his questions.
3. Many people have said they will not accept other peoples files. I
assume Steve would.
Without knowing the author, unsolicited files should never be accepted.
4. He does answer other posts, no matter what you think of them. So he
is contributing more than just an advertising platform for his signature.
Just like anyone else with a webpage link or even an MVP (I can give a
little on the MVP but it is still a form of advertising). On a quick look
he is well over 70% straight answers compaired to "contact me".
As a member of the newsgroup he does help out and there is no issue with
having a bit of advertisement in a signature line. The MVP tag line is just
a means of indicating an individual that Microsoft has recognized for their
voluntary contributions in the newsgroups. So it lets users know that if the
poster is an MVP that the answer should be good (and free). The percentage
of straight to ads is immaterial. The "contact me" messages just tarnish
any good will the straight messages convey.
5. The posts are all responces not a stand alone post. Maybe not a big
distinction but it doesn't clutter up any lines in my Outlook Express.
Only if you open a thread do you see those posts. So it really is not
that batent.
With one message it is not a big deal, but if this type of action becomes
the norm then users will waste time downloading these messages (yes there
still are people using dial up) and reading them. You still have to open
these messages to see that it is a solicitation. Of course, he could be kill
filed, but that will also remove any of his postive posts.
I just read a little about the pseudonyms and will not comment on that
part.
I have no problem with pseudonyms. If he does not like his name, that is his
business.
JMHO

Craig Hornish

Thank you for at least stating the case in a more polite manner than Arno.

John...