Doug,
Let me preface my response here to say that I have a high respect for you
and one reason is that you always take the high road like you did here when
you respond.
ARNO is not right. He is just a little low-life pretending to be God trying
to make himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the
language he uses to obviously see this. Look at the similarities between him
and XMVP.
Microsoft's Rules Of Conduct state, " We ask that you refrain from posting
advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended
use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." Note that it does not forbid
advertisements and solicitations! The key to what this says is to understand
the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup. There is no where that
directly states what the intended use is but the following statement is
found in Getting Started With The Web Based Newsreader, "The Web-based
Newsreader allows you to enter into discussion groups where people who are
passionate about Microsoft technologies share their thoughts, help, support,
and ideas." I expect that you would not question that I frequently share my
thoughts, support and ideas. Tim Marshall states that I have helped him in
the past. Yes I make a mistake from time to time and you catch them. And I
am sure you will confirm that I have never claimed to be a MVP. So there is
one other phrase found in Getting Started With The Web Based Newsreader,
"share their help"(sic). "Contact me if you would like my help" is an offer
of an option to the poster which he may freely accept or reject to solve his
problem at hand. I think that if you go back and review all the posts where
I have offered my help, you will find that I have never made the offer where
a simple newsgroup paragraph would have completely solved the poster's
problem. For example, Nick J posted the subject MDE File Shareware. He
wanted to know how a time limited version of his database could be created.
Can you answer this and provide him a detailed description (and code) of how
to do it in a simple newsgroup paragraph? I think not with all due respect
to you. So I offered Nick the option to contact me if he wanted me to set it
up for him. Not too long ago, a poster wanted to know how to create an order
entry database. I made the offer to him, he contacted me, I gave him a
simple database for $200 and he was very grateful. I have numerous
experiences like this.
Microsoft's Rules Of Conduct state, " We ask that you refrain from posting
advertisements or solicitations.. ..." Microsoft distinguishes between
advertisements and solicitations. "Contact me if you would like my help" is
not an advertisement. The only advertisement I do on the newsgroups is in my
signature line and that is no different, with all due respect, than putting
"Microsoft Access MVP" after your name. Advertising is frequently seen in
the newsgroups! Any time you see a referral to a website, that is indirect
advertising because it is in most cases a referral to the website of someone
in business to develop Access database applications. Anytime you see a
reference to a third party product, that is direct advertising and no matter
what the responder says, he is endorsing that product. For the purposes of
the discussion here, I am not raising an objection of either of these
advertisements because I see them as another means of responders sharing
help pertaining directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup.
"Contact me if you would like my help" is obviously a solicitation and this
solicitation is never made unless it is directly intended to share my help
with a poster.
Now you say that I "advertise blatantly". Blantantly is a little harsh don't
you think? Blantantly has the connotation of being boisterous or obtrusive.
XMVP was blatant. And as pointed out above, "Contact me if you would like my
help" is not advertising. Yes, you see "Contact me if you would like my
help" from time to time but if you determine the percentage of times you see
this to the times I respond to posters otherwise, it is a small percentage.
Finally, on this subject, I have kept my offer to help posters to eight
simple words.
What makes my posts "bogus" if I post under a pseudonym? All these posts
have been legitimate questions and when answered, the entire newsgroup
community benefited from the answers. There was nothing bogus about it!
William Shakespear was not his real name, was everything he wrote bogus?
Pope Paul II was not his real name, was everything he said, wrote and did
bogus? Apparently not, nearly three million people turned out for his
funeral!
Doug, I hope that I have not offended you here because I have no intent to
do that. I do have high respect for you and because of that felt my response
to this thread was best placed as a response to you.
Steve
PC Datasheet
"Douglas J. Steele" <NOSPAM_djsteel e@NOSPAM_canada .com> wrote in message
news:uX******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
Steve: Admit it, he's right. You do advertise blatantly, and you make
bogus posts under pseudonyms.
--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)
"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam. spam> wrote in message
news:m0******** *********@newsr ead2.news.atl.e arthlink.net... Ignore this imbecile! Just like he says, he is not a major player in the
newsgroups; he's just a little low-life pretending to be God trying to
make
himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the language
he uses to obviously see this. Ignore him and eventually he will slither
away on his belly like any snake does.
Steve
PC Datasheet
"StopThisAdvert ising" <StopThisAdvert ising@DataShit> wrote in message
news:42******** **************@ dreader2.news.t iscali.nl...
Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting
machine.
A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop
his blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately
nada.
He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to
these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.
He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie,
Kristine, Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change
his/hers
identity over and over.
It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on
advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major
player' in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't
help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .
Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as
some
of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me
'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major
player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I
am after.
Arno R
