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We perfectly develop our applicaitons with VS 6.0. We want to move to .net
but all of our development computers almost die with a small test
application. we have min P4 2ghz and 512MB desktop PCs with huge RAM
support, we use windowsXP as op.system but they don't work wery well. speed
id too different. I don't mention about our notebooks. also they have min P4
1.6 with 512 RAM but they also die.

Our customers also need Pc upgrade if we move to .net even for to run .net
runtime. .Net makes a noticeable slowness. does anyone have comments please
? how do you convince your customers to upgrade their systems ?
Nov 21 '05 #1
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I run VS.Net on a PIII 1Ghz with 512 of ram running Windows XP. It is not
..NET but your application I would expect.

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Bob

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"Aykut Canturk" <ay***********@ karina-mira.com> wrote in message
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We perfectly develop our applicaitons with VS 6.0. We want to move to .net
but all of our development computers almost die with a small test
application. we have min P4 2ghz and 512MB desktop PCs with huge RAM
support, we use windowsXP as op.system but they don't work wery well.
speed id too different. I don't mention about our notebooks. also they
have min P4 1.6 with 512 RAM but they also die.

Our customers also need Pc upgrade if we move to .net even for to run .net
runtime. .Net makes a noticeable slowness. does anyone have comments
please ? how do you convince your customers to upgrade their systems ?

Nov 21 '05 #2

"Aykut Canturk" <ay***********@ karina-mira.com> wrote in message
news:ue******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
We perfectly develop our applicaitons with VS 6.0. We want to move to .net
but all of our development computers almost die with a small test
application. we have min P4 2ghz and 512MB desktop PCs with huge RAM
support, we use windowsXP as op.system but they don't work wery well.
speed id too different. I don't mention about our notebooks. also they
have min P4 1.6 with 512 RAM but they also die.

Our customers also need Pc upgrade if we move to .net even for to run .net
runtime. .Net makes a noticeable slowness. does anyone have comments
please ? how do you convince your customers to upgrade their systems ?

I agree with Bob. Could you provide some specific information about your
"small test"?
In my experience with Visual Studio .NET, your hardware configurations are
adequate.
We use Visual Studio .NET 2003 on PC's with P III 700MHz CPU's and 256 Meg
of memory in our classrooms and labs, and while they're not exactly fast,
they certainly don't "die" when running even fairly substantial student
project applications.
So, to help you with your problem, we're going to need more information...

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Peter [MVP Visual Developer]
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Nov 21 '05 #3
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:19:11 +0200, Aykut Canturk wrote:
We perfectly develop our applicaitons with VS 6.0. We want to move to .net
but all of our development computers almost die with a small test
application. we have min P4 2ghz and 512MB desktop PCs with huge RAM
support, we use windowsXP as op.system but they don't work wery well. speed
id too different. I don't mention about our notebooks. also they have min P4
1.6 with 512 RAM but they also die.

Our customers also need Pc upgrade if we move to .net even for to run .net
runtime. .Net makes a noticeable slowness. does anyone have comments please
? how do you convince your customers to upgrade their systems ?


What do you mean by "small test application", "almost die" and "slowness".
I'm running small .NET applications on a PII 500MHz with 128MB of RAM and
..NET 1.1 without noticing any particular performance problems. Of course,
with bigger applications making heavy use of Web Services, .NET Remoting
and various ActiveX controls, this machine shows its limits but on any
decent not too old computer, all my .NET apps are running just fine.
Nov 21 '05 #4
Hi,

What does your application do? Is is slow right from the start or does it
keep getting slower as you use it more? If it is the latter then you might
not be closing DB Connections or properly disposing of other objects. Bring
up the Windows Task Manager while you are running your app and check out how
much of the CPU it is using and it's memory usage. If the memory usage
keeps going up you are probably not disposing of objects properly. If the
CPU is pegged check your looping. If it runs slow out of your development
environment try to narrow down where the slowdown is occuring and then post
the relevant code. Good luck! Ken.

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"Aykut Canturk" <ay***********@ karina-mira.com> wrote in message
news:ue******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
We perfectly develop our applicaitons with VS 6.0. We want to move to .net
but all of our development computers almost die with a small test
application. we have min P4 2ghz and 512MB desktop PCs with huge RAM
support, we use windowsXP as op.system but they don't work wery well. speed id too different. I don't mention about our notebooks. also they have min P4 1.6 with 512 RAM but they also die.

Our customers also need Pc upgrade if we move to .net even for to run .net
runtime. .Net makes a noticeable slowness. does anyone have comments please ? how do you convince your customers to upgrade their systems ?

Nov 21 '05 #5
"Aykut Canturk" <ay***********@ karina-mira.com> schrieb:
We perfectly develop our applicaitons with VS 6.0. We want to move to .net
but all of our development computers almost die with a small test
application. we have min P4 2ghz and 512MB desktop PCs with huge RAM
support, we use windowsXP as op.system but they don't work wery well.
speed id too different. I don't mention about our notebooks. also they
have min P4 1.6 with 512 RAM but they also die.


I assume you are talking about the application's user interface. You can
reduce startup time by using "NGEN.EXE" to create a native image of your
application:

<URL:http://msdn.microsoft. com/library/en-us/cptools/html/cpgrfnativeimag egeneratorngene xe.asp>

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M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

Nov 21 '05 #6
Bob Hollness wrote:
I run VS.Net on a PIII 1Ghz with 512 of ram running Windows XP. It is not
.NET but your application I would expect.


P3 800 Mhz with 256 MB ram. In comparison to other windows apps, it runs
fairly well. The compile time doesn't take forever. However, sometimes
switching between forms in VB.Net takes a little longer than I think it
should. But it's still usable.
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Nov 21 '05 #7
Hey friends, I'm not talking about test applications. We are developing
hotel & restaurant management system. Our VB6 version has more than 100
thousand non-remarked code lines. We use SQL server with almost 200 tables
and 80 views. we have more than 200 forms in our project. we full-compile
and run it from IDE in les than 5 seconds in VB6, on P4 1.6 centrino
notebook with 40GB HDD (15 is free) and 512MB RAM.

in same computer, when I try to make a "test" application, which has one
form, one button, one textbox, takes almost 10 seconds to full-compile. I'm
even not talking about "making exe". in programming bussiness, IDE must
catch the speed of the programmer. In IDE, openinf a form from project
exporer, for example to add a button or someting kills my programmers. I can
not walk in the project as I wish. I must click there, see the property, go
back immediatelly, write the code, open another form, copy some control,
reutrn back and paste blah blah blah. and this is supposed to be fast steps.

Am I wrong ?
Nov 21 '05 #8
Aykut,

Probably there is something with your settings.

Did you know that the IDE is doing all the time compiling in background.

And when you debug, your program is compiled completly.

Making.exe is Build before you take the wrong approach.

Cor
Nov 21 '05 #9
Hi,

Are you using Visual Studio 2002? If so you need to upgrade to VS.Net 2003,
once you do you will see a huge performance boost in the IDE for your large
project. I don't know why your "test" application is compiling so slow.
Have you checked your system for Spyware? Check out what you have running
on your task bar, if it is a bunch of different stuff try disabling them one
by one as it may be that one of those apps is causing problems with Visual
Studio. I just loaded an app with about 20 forms and a large class. The
compile time was about 3.5 seconds on a P4 1.7 with 512MB Ram. This way you
at least know that the problem resides with your system configuration and
not with VS.Net. Good luck! Ken.

--
Ken Dopierala Jr.
For great ASP.Net web hosting try:
http://www.webhost4life.com/default.asp?refid=Spinlight
If you sign up under me and need help, email me.

"Aykut Canturk" <ay***********@ karina-mira.com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP15.phx.gbl. ..
Hey friends, I'm not talking about test applications. We are developing
hotel & restaurant management system. Our VB6 version has more than 100
thousand non-remarked code lines. We use SQL server with almost 200 tables
and 80 views. we have more than 200 forms in our project. we full-compile
and run it from IDE in les than 5 seconds in VB6, on P4 1.6 centrino
notebook with 40GB HDD (15 is free) and 512MB RAM.

in same computer, when I try to make a "test" application, which has one
form, one button, one textbox, takes almost 10 seconds to full-compile. I'm even not talking about "making exe". in programming bussiness, IDE must
catch the speed of the programmer. In IDE, openinf a form from project
exporer, for example to add a button or someting kills my programmers. I can not walk in the project as I wish. I must click there, see the property, go back immediatelly, write the code, open another form, copy some control,
reutrn back and paste blah blah blah. and this is supposed to be fast steps.
Am I wrong ?

Nov 21 '05 #10

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