I keep hearing persistant rumors (along with my own experience) that .NET is
going to be abandon by Microsoft due to performance & security issues? I
realize no one from Microsoft is likely to confirm this publically, but if
anyone that does have insider knowledge, could you provide some feedback
(private or public). My company is on the verge of migrating to .NET, but
we've ran into several performance issues (mostly on the GUI side) and some
big security issues and we're not sure they can be resolved without a
fundamental "shift" from Microsoft. I've very hesitant to migrate all our
code over until I can get a firm grasp on where .NET is going and for how
long and what issues are going to be resolved.
Thank you.
Rob.
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No, it is not being dropped. Where did you hear such a thing?
Performance issues will be in the way you implement .NET, not in the
technology itself.
Same with security.
Feel free to post your specific problems here - or write to me directly if
you like.
--
Mike
Mike McIntyre
Visual Basic MVP www.getdotnetcode.com
"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbel l.net> wrote in message
news:Og******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl... I keep hearing persistant rumors (along with my own experience) that .NET
is going to be abandon by Microsoft due to performance & security issues?
I realize no one from Microsoft is likely to confirm this publically, but
if anyone that does have insider knowledge, could you provide some feedback
(private or public). My company is on the verge of migrating to .NET, but
we've ran into several performance issues (mostly on the GUI side) and some
big security issues and we're not sure they can be resolved without a
fundamental "shift" from Microsoft. I've very hesitant to migrate all our
code over until I can get a firm grasp on where .NET is going and for how
long and what issues are going to be resolved.
Thank you.
Rob.
Performance is more GUI specific, slow redraws/repaints of forms/controls as
compared to VB6 or VC or C++. Data gathering is pretty quick (from SQL
server or Access or whatever else), but control population is VERY slow.
Security in regards to the fundamental implementation of .NET -- since it is
one level removed interpreted (albeit, highly optimized interpretation) it
is pretty easy to swap in "rogue" code.
Another issue is the missing features in the current .NET release that make
it hard for developers to remain in the "managed" world of .NET.
My sources are from some relatively large organizations such as Bank of the
West, Bank of America, SBC, ATI, and a few others -- from senior management
and developers influential in the decision process.
Can YOU be more specific in addressing where Microsoft plan to take .NET in
the next 5 years?
Thanks, Rob.
"Mike McIntyre" <mi****@dotnets howandtell.com> wrote in message
news:O9******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl... No, it is not being dropped. Where did you hear such a thing?
Performance issues will be in the way you implement .NET, not in the
technology itself.
Same with security.
Feel free to post your specific problems here - or write to me directly if
you like.
--
Mike
Mike McIntyre
Visual Basic MVP
www.getdotnetcode.com
"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbel l.net> wrote in message
news:Og******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...I keep hearing persistant rumors (along with my own experience) that .NET
is going to be abandon by Microsoft due to performance & security issues?
I realize no one from Microsoft is likely to confirm this publically, but
if anyone that does have insider knowledge, could you provide some
feedback (private or public). My company is on the verge of migrating to
.NET, but we've ran into several performance issues (mostly on the GUI
side) and some big security issues and we're not sure they can be resolved
without a fundamental "shift" from Microsoft. I've very hesitant to
migrate all our code over until I can get a firm grasp on where .NET is
going and for how long and what issues are going to be resolved.
Thank you.
Rob.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:33:03 -0800, "Rob R. Ainscough"
<ro*****@pacbel l.net> wrote: I keep hearing persistant rumors (along with my own experience) that .NET is
going to be abandon by Microsoft due to performance & security issues? I
realize no one from Microsoft is likely to confirm this publically, but if
anyone that does have insider knowledge, could you provide some feedback
(private or public). My company is on the verge of migrating to .NET, but
we've ran into several performance issues (mostly on the GUI side) and some
big security issues and we're not sure they can be resolved without a
fundamental "shift" from Microsoft. I've very hesitant to migrate all our
code over until I can get a firm grasp on where .NET is going and for how
long and what issues are going to be resolved.
Thank you.
Rob.
If Microsoft was to change anything with .Net it would be with the
compiler not the language or the new programming Studio design,
because it feels much better to code with, and it encourages
programmers to code much better. For example Option Explicit is ON by
default now.
So if MS was to say "you know the whole .Net thing where doing, well
we are scrapping it" they would probably just release an update for
the compiler so it's not like you would loose any of the .Net skills
you had developed.
I don't know how any of that would effect what you are working on, but
you could always try the beta of 2005 to see if .Net 2.0 makes a
difference.
Rob,
"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbel l.net> schrieb: Performance is more GUI specific, slow redraws/repaints
of forms/controls as compared to VB6 or VC or C++. Data
gathering is pretty quick (from SQL server or Access or whatever
else), but control population is VERY slow.
There are some tricks to make UIs faster, for example, by setting some
controls' 'FlatStyle' property to 'System', avoid using lots of fonts and
background images. And, keeping the number of controls "small", which means
< 50 controls per form.
Security in regards to the fundamental implementation of .NET
-- since it is one level removed interpreted (albeit, highly optimized
interpretation) it is pretty easy to swap in "rogue" code.
Why? You can use strong names to guarantee the referential integrity of an
assembly. Sure, everybody can strong-name his/her assemblies.
'StrongNameIden tityPermission' will be extended in .NET 2.0 to allow calling
assemblies by more than one strong-named assembly. In addition to that,
there are many CAS (Code Access Security) features that can help to reduce
vulnerabilities .
Another issue is the missing features in the current .NET
release that make it hard for developers to remain in the
"managed" world of .NET.
Unmanaged code is not bad per-se. All of us used unmanaged applications for
years, and many "sensitive" applications were written using unmanaged code.
There were many security features available, and .NET provides its own
security features.
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:33:03 -0800, "Rob R. Ainscough"
<ro*****@pacbel l.net> wrote: I keep hearing persistant rumors (along with my own experience) that .NET is
going to be abandon by Microsoft due to performance & security issues? I
realize no one from Microsoft is likely to confirm this publically, but if
anyone that does have insider knowledge, could you provide some feedback
(private or public). My company is on the verge of migrating to .NET, but
we've ran into several performance issues (mostly on the GUI side) and some
big security issues and we're not sure they can be resolved without a
fundamental "shift" from Microsoft. I've very hesitant to migrate all our
code over until I can get a firm grasp on where .NET is going and for how
long and what issues are going to be resolved.
Thank you.
Rob.
If Microsoft was to change anything with .Net it would be with the
compiler not the language or the new programming Studio design,
because it feels much better to code with, and it encourages
programmers to code much better. For example Option Explicit is ON by
default now.
So if MS was to say "you know the whole .Net thing where doing, well
we are scrapping it" they would probably just release an update for
the compiler so it's not like you would loose any of the .Net skills
you had developed.
I don't know how any of that would effect what you are working on, but
you could always try the beta of 2005 to see if .Net 2.0 makes a
difference.
Rob,
"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbel l.net> schrieb: Performance is more GUI specific, slow redraws/repaints
of forms/controls as compared to VB6 or VC or C++. Data
gathering is pretty quick (from SQL server or Access or whatever
else), but control population is VERY slow.
There are some tricks to make UIs faster, for example, by setting some
controls' 'FlatStyle' property to 'System', avoid using lots of fonts and
background images. And, keeping the number of controls "small", which means
< 50 controls per form.
Security in regards to the fundamental implementation of .NET
-- since it is one level removed interpreted (albeit, highly optimized
interpretation) it is pretty easy to swap in "rogue" code.
Why? You can use strong names to guarantee the referential integrity of an
assembly. Sure, everybody can strong-name his/her assemblies.
'StrongNameIden tityPermission' will be extended in .NET 2.0 to allow calling
assemblies by more than one strong-named assembly. In addition to that,
there are many CAS (Code Access Security) features that can help to reduce
vulnerabilities .
Another issue is the missing features in the current .NET
release that make it hard for developers to remain in the
"managed" world of .NET.
Unmanaged code is not bad per-se. All of us used unmanaged applications for
years, and many "sensitive" applications were written using unmanaged code.
There were many security features available, and .NET provides its own
security features.
--
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
<URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
Are you sure your not trolling Rob?
Richard
Are you sure your not trolling Rob?
Richard
I don't have time to troll, I need to make an important decision.
Microsoft's shift in "supported" directions have left open questions and
fear in the past -- there are some pretty significant issues with .NET and
how these issues are address now and in the future is critical to my
decision.
And I certainly don't include fa**@address.co m as you do, so please none of
this "integrity" crap, I don't have time for it.
"Richard Myers" <fa**@address.c om> wrote in message
news:uw******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl... Are you sure your not trolling Rob?
Richard
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