Don't understand global variables between modules

[Bart]

Hi all

I don't understand globals between multiple modules in a python program. I
really don't. I've narrowed it down to the following two very simple
programs a.py and b.py. When I run a.py I get the following output:

inc: 2
A: 2
inc: 3
B: 3
C: 1
I don't understand the last line at all. Why is my x variable 1 after having
been incremented twice? Is there more than one global space? Is this
backreference to the original a.py not allowed?

I could use some help.

Thanks

Bart van Deenen

a.py:
---------------------------------
import b
x=1

def inc():
global x
x+=1
print "inc: ",x

if __name__=="__ma in__":
b.test()
print "C: ",x

b.py:
---------------------------------
def test():
import a
a.inc()
print "A: ",a.x
a.inc()
print "B: ",a.x

[Fredrik Lundh]

Bart wrote:

I don't understand globals between multiple modules in a python program. I
really don't. I've narrowed it down to the following two very simple
programs a.py and b.py. When I run a.py I get the following output:

inc: 2
A: 2
inc: 3
B: 3
C: 1

I don't understand the last line at all. Why is my x variable 1 after having
been incremented twice?
because running a script isn't the same thing as importing it. try adding
"print __name__" lines before your other print statements so you can see
who's printing what.
Is there more than one global space?

in this case, there are more module namespaces than you think.

this page might help (especially the "Using Modules as Scripts" section):

http://effbot.org/zone/import-confusion.htm

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[Terry Reedy]

"Bart" <bv******@acces s-four-all.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:42******** *************@d reader14.news.x s4all.nl...

I don't understand globals between multiple modules in a python program.
Because there are not any. All names are bound to objects in a module
global namespace, a function local namespace, or an object attribute
namespace.

The builtins seem like and act like intermodule 'globals', but their names
are bound in a hidden module which is imported to all other modules and
treated like an extension of each module's namespace. Users can do
something similar by defining a 'myglobals' module and importing it
everywhere.
I've narrowed it down to the following two very simple
programs a.py and b.py. When I run a.py I get the following output:

inc: 2
A: 2
inc: 3
B: 3
C: 1
I don't understand the last line at all.

Don't feel too bad. While I 'know' the answer -- running anyfile.py
creates a module named '__main__' while importing it (in another module)
creates a separate module named 'anyfile' -- it did not 'click' until
reading Fredrik's hint. You created a nice, memorable example that shows
that __main__ is not anotherfile.any file (in this case, not b.a)!

Terry J. Reedy

[Bart van Deenen]

Fredrik Lundh <fr*****@python ware.com> wrote:

because running a script isn't the same thing as importing it. try adding
"print __name__" lines before your other print statements so you can see
who's printing what.

Is there more than one global space?

in this case, there are more module namespaces than you think.
this page might help (especially the "Using Modules as Scripts" section):
http://effbot.org/zone/import-confusion.htm

Thanks for your answer, and also thanks for effbot. Lots of good tips.

Bart

[Bart van Deenen]

Hi

thanks for the answer. Coming from C and C++ this behaviour wasn't
really obvious to me. I still love Python though :-) Most elegant
language I've ever seen.

Bart