should i switch to IPYTHON interpreter? What is the killer feature of it?

[Christian Seberino]

I know IPython is another interpreter for Python and was wondering
what people liked about it and if I should switch to it.

If it is so good then why is it not part of the standard Python
tarball?

Chris

[Sean Richards]

se******@spawar .navy.mil (Christian Seberino) writes:

I know IPython is another interpreter for Python and was wondering
what people liked about it and if I should switch to it.
Some things i like are .....

Typing ? after a function name gives you the function definition and
docstrings for the function. i.e arange? returns

Type: builtin_functio n_or_method
Base Class: <type 'builtin_functi on_or_method'>
String Form: <built-in function arange>
Namespace: Interactive
Docstring:
arange(start, stop=None, step=1, typecode=None)

Just like range() except it returns an array whose type can be
specified by the keyword argument typecode.

Normal shell commands like cd & ls are available

Tab completion for keywords and methods etc (you can get this in the
standard python shell as well of course)

Heaps more features but those are the killers for me (YMMV)
If it is so good then why is it not part of the standard Python
tarball?

No idea. It's no big deal for me to download it separately and install
it. You could ask the same question about many other Python packages,
if they were all included the distribution would start getting a bit
big I think.

Anyway give IPython a try I think you will like it.

Sean

--
"Hver sin smak", sa vintapperen, han drakk mens de andre sloss.

[Irmen de Jong]

Sean Richards wrote:

Tab completion for keywords and methods etc (you can get this in the
standard python shell as well of course)

You can? How?

--Irmen

[Dang Griffith]

On 9 Dec 2003 16:19:35 -0800, se******@spawar .navy.mil (Christian
Seberino) wrote:

I know IPython is another interpreter for Python and was wondering
what people liked about it and if I should switch to it.

If it is so good then why is it not part of the standard Python
tarball?

Chris

I use it on Win32 and like that it provides a simpler/more direct
interface to the file system. I.e., I can do things such as "cd
blahblahblah" and change the directory, rather than importing os and
calling os.chdir("blahb lah"), "ls" instead of os.listdir('.') , and
that sort of thing. Also, you can create your own command aliases,
along the lines of cshrc, bash, etc.

Another feature I've used, at least occasionally, is the ability to
save the session history. When I'm exploring a module I've not used
before, I do a lot of schtuff that doesn't work, get it to work, then
move forward (not work, work, not work, work). By the time I've
reached my goal, though, I've become addled and have forgotten which
pieces parts works and which didn't. With IPython, I can save that
history and review what worked and what didn't, delete the chaff and
try the wheat again later.

At least one reason it's not part of the standard tarball is that it's
owned by a different group of people.

--dang
p.s.
One could argue that my approach to learning new modules could use
improvement. And while that may be true, I've found that learning to
recognize error messages, and what causes them, makes it easier to
help others.

[Dang Griffith]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:19:21 +0100, Irmen de Jong
<[e-mail]> wrote:

Sean Richards wrote:

Tab completion for keywords and methods etc (you can get this in the
standard python shell as well of course)

You can? How?

--Irmen

Press tab after typing part of the keyword/method.

This assumes you're *not* using Win32. The documentation says that
IPython requires the GNU readline function, which I guess isn't
available with Win32. Neither is color highlighting.

--dang

[Irmen de Jong]

Dang Griffith wrote:

Tab completion for keywords and methods etc (you can get this in the
standard python shell as well of course)

You can? How?

--Irmen

Press tab after typing part of the keyword/method.

Sean was talking about the 'standard python shell' so I tried
the default python (2.3) on my mandrake 9.2 box.
It doesn't work, it just inserts a tab character.

--Irmen

[Paul McGuire]

<snip>

One could argue that my approach to learning new modules could use
improvement. And while that may be true, I've found that learning to
recognize error messages, and what causes them, makes it easier to
help others.

I would say you have nothing to apologize for, this approach to learning new
modules sounds strikingly similar to my own. It's part of what I think is a
big advantage to Python (and similar scripting languages), that you can
engage in a highly efficient, quick turnaround, exploratory process, without
the overhead and delay of compile/correct-syntax-errors/compile/link/run.
The immediate feedback (and sometimes, gratification) allows you to stay in
that high-intensity mental zone, without the distractions of awkward
meta-tasks, for hours at a time (or days or weeks!).

-- Paul

[Diez B. Roggisch]

> Sean was talking about the 'standard python shell' so I tried

the default python (2.3) on my mandrake 9.2 box.
It doesn't work, it just inserts a tab character.

I use rlcompleter2 for this - in the standard shell. Very nice - but I think
I've got to take a look at IPython, too.

Diez

[Christoph Becker-Freyseng]

Irmen de Jong wrote:

Dang Griffith wrote:

Tab completion for keywords and methods etc (you can get this in the
standard python shell as well of course)
You can? How?

--Irmen

Press tab after typing part of the keyword/method.

Sean was talking about the 'standard python shell' so I tried
the default python (2.3) on my mandrake 9.2 box.
It doesn't work, it just inserts a tab character.

--Irmen

You need an startup-file for python.

(I copied this together out of python-news-mail (thank you once again)
and some own ideas)

..pystartup in your home-dir

# Add auto-completion and a stored history file of commands to your Python
# interactive interpreter. Requires Python 2.0+, readline. Autocomplete is
# bound to the Esc key by default (you can change it - see readline docs).
#
# Store the file in ~/.pystartup, and set an environment variable to point
# to it, e.g. "export PYTHONSTARTUP=/max/home/itamar/.pystartup" in bash.
#
# Note that PYTHONSTARTUP does *not* expand "~", so you have to put in the
# full path to your home directory.

import atexit
import os
import readline
import rlcompleter

historyPath = os.path.expandu ser("~/.pyhistory")
historyTmp = os.path.expandu ser("~/.pyhisttmp.py")

endMarkerStr= "# # # histDUMP # # #"

saveMacro= "import readline;
readline.write_ history_file('" +historyTmp+"') ; print '####>>>>>>>>>> ';
print ''.join(filter( lambda lineP: not
lineP.strip().e ndswith('"+endM arkerStr+"'),
open('"+history Tmp+"').readlin es())[:])+'####<<<<<<<< <<'"+endMarkerS tr

readline.parse_ and_bind('tab: complete')
readline.parse_ and_bind('\C-w: "'+saveMacro+'" ')

def save_history(hi storyPath=histo ryPath, endMarkerStr=en dMarkerStr):
import readline
readline.write_ history_file(hi storyPath)
# Now filter out those line containing the saveMacro
lines= filter(lambda lineP, endMarkerStr=en dMarkerStr: not
lineP.strip().e ndswith(endMark erStr), open(historyPat h).readlines())
open(historyPat h, 'w+').write(''. join(lines))

if os.path.exists( historyPath):
readline.read_h istory_file(his toryPath)

atexit.register (save_history)

del os, atexit, readline, rlcompleter, save_history, historyPath,
historyTmp, endMarkerStr, saveMacro
(I hope spaces will survive mailing)

Additionaly you need to
~# export PYTHONSTARTUP=/root/.pystartup

You can do this e.g. in .profile
Pressing tab completes the input like common unix-shells.
Pressing CTRL-w gives You an python code to print the history-file (or
parts of it -- there's a [:] in the command that You can replace by
[-50:]; which will give you the last 50 lines)
cu cbf

[дамјан г.]

Tab completion for keywords and methods etc (you can get this in the
standard python shell as well of course)

You can? How?

Press tab after typing part of the keyword/method.

Sean was talking about the 'standard python shell' so I tried
the default python (2.3) on my mandrake 9.2 box.
It doesn't work, it just inserts a tab character.

Put this in ~/.pythonrc, and setup the PYTHONSTARTUP environment variable to
point to it: export PYTHONSTARTUP=~/.pythonrc
# ~/.pythonrc
# enable syntax completion
try:
import readline
except ImportError:
print "Module readline not available."
else:
import rlcompleter
readline.parse_ and_bind("tab: complete")
--
Дамјан (jabberID:da*** *@bagra.net.mk)

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