Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website, www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom()" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above! 13  1820 
In article <11************ **********@l77g 2000hsb.googleg roups.com>, ju************@ gmail.com says...
Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website, www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom()" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
I think its probably fair to say you are already doing it.
There was also once a concept of "frames" which would address your
reloading blink question - but they seem to have gone out of fashion -
I don't know why - perhaps someone could enlighten me (us) on why just
for curiosity?
Andy
Justin.Voelker wrote:
Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website, www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom()" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
Even a template will have to hit the server for every page load, even if
it is the same layout. The only way you could stop that is to save the
page outputs as html files and just load the static pages.
--
=============== ===
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp. js*******@attgl obal.net
=============== ===
On Apr 2, 12:13 pm, and...@blueyond er.com wrote:
In article <1175529378.263 026.220...@l77g 2000hsb.googleg roups.com>,
justin.voel...@ gmail.com says...
Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website,www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom()" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
I think its probably fair to say you are already doing it.
There was also once a concept of "frames" which would address your
reloading blink question - but they seem to have gone out of fashion -
I don't know why - perhaps someone could enlighten me (us) on why just
for curiosity?
Andy
Andy:
I once used frames and you are right, they seem to have been killed
off. I just didn't know if a template system would achieve the same
sort of results without being so terribly coded as they are right
now. Thanks for the response though!
On Apr 2, 1:17 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
Justin.Voelker wrote:
Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website,www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom()" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
Even a template will have to hit the server for every page load, even if
it is the same layout. The only way you could stop that is to save the
page outputs as html files and just load the static pages.
--
=============== ===
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstuck...@attgl obal.net
=============== ===
Jerry:
Do you know of any nice, simple, light-weight php template systems
(unline smarty and it's massive amount of files). Thanks!
Justin.Voelker wrote:
On Apr 2, 1:17 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
>Justin.Voelk er wrote:
>>Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website,www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom() " that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
Even a template will have to hit the server for every page load, even if
it is the same layout. The only way you could stop that is to save the
page outputs as html files and just load the static pages.
--
============== ====
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstuck...@attg lobal.net
============== ====
Jerry:
Do you know of any nice, simple, light-weight php template systems
(unline smarty and it's massive amount of files). Thanks!
Sorry, I don't use templates.
--
=============== ===
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp. js*******@attgl obal.net
=============== ===
There isn't a whole lot out there besides smarty, and you've already
said you don't like it (although it does have built-in caching to
speed up rendering, if you want it). I personally don't like smarty
because it just feels like an unnecessary scripting language on top of
another scripting language.
I still wanted to be able to separate business logic from display
logic, though, so came up with my own homebrew quasi-templating
system. I based in around the CSS Grids component of the Yahoo YUI
library ( http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/). It's basically just
a collection of a few classes that wrap around the css components of
that library, so I can just create a page, add blocks/grids/units,
give them whatever data they need, then just call Render() and it
takes care of structuring the html. The end result being absolutely
no html or display logic in the main file as it's delegated out to the
individual page elements. Crude, yes, but it gives me both the level
of flexibility and abstraction that I like.
Point being, that if Smarty isn't doing it for you, you may want to
think about what exactly you want from a templating system and then
just go do it yourself. The nice thing about your own templating
system is that once you have it, you'll get a lot of miles out of it
because you'll be able to reuse it for just about anything else you do. an****@blueyond er.com wrote:
In article <11************ **********@l77g 2000hsb.googleg roups.com>,
ju************@ gmail.com says...
>Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website, www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom( )" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
I think its probably fair to say you are already doing it.
There was also once a concept of "frames" which would address your
reloading blink question - but they seem to have gone out of fashion -
I don't know why - perhaps someone could enlighten me (us) on why just
for curiosity?
Andy
At least one reason I know of is the problems search engines (were said
to) have (had?) with indexing framed pages. Another one has to do with
frames being reopened in new tabs/windows messing up the site's layout.
Personally I still don't mind using the occasional iframe here and there
where the alternatives imply a LOT of extra work. Shoot me, I've always
been a lazy programmer. A trait I've been more often praised for in this
line of work than not.
Anyone else the definitive answer to andy's question?
Sh.
Justin.Voelker wrote:
Hello Everyone:
I am in search of an easier way to develop pages. My most current
website, www.Base2WebDesign.com, has the exact same layout throughout
the entire site. Right now I use a function called "page_top() " and
page_bottom()" that , when called, display the tops and bottoms of
pages. All I have to do on the actual index.php page is call those two
functions and then write the main content on that page. This seems
stupid but it seems to work. I would like to use templates but I
don't know much about them and I have yet to find anything that just
screams simplicity to me and ease of use. If anyone could point me in
the right direct for developing pages that have a consistent layout
with dynamic content on the "main section" of the page, I would be
forever grateful. Again, I would like to use templates because from
what I have seen they look like they are what I need. Can anyone
direct me toward and very simple, straight-forward, easy-to-use
template system (if this is what I indeed would need) that could speed
up the rendering of the pages without hitting the server on each page
load for the same page layout? Also, my current way of building the
page may be to fault but might there be a solution to the pages
"blinking" when you switch from one pages to the next for the first
time. When you return to that same page there is no blink. Thank you
so much to anyone and everyone that can solve any of the problems I
have listed above!
What will templates give you that you cannot do simpler with PHP ?
I have CubeCart in my store and they implemented some weird macro
language in their templates. Why not PHP files ?
Just compare the snippet:
<!-- BEGIN: cat_img -->
<img src="{IMG_CUREN T_CATEGORY}" alt="{TXT_CUREN T_CATEGORY}"
border="0" title="{TXT_CUR ENT_CATEGORY}" />
<!-- END: cat_img -->
With PHP representation
if(cat_img)
{
echo "<img src='$ImgCurren tCategory' alt='$TxtCurren tCategory'
border='0' title='$TxtCurr entCategory' />";
}
Roman
-- www.dipmicro.com - My Electronic Component and Project Store www.findspec.com - My Electronic Component Datasheet Search Engine
On Apr 2, 8:28 pm, Schraalhans Keukenmeester <bitbuc...@inva lid.spam>
wrote:
and...@blueyond er.com wrote:
I don't know why - perhaps someone could enlighten me (us) on why just
for curiosity?
Andy
Anyone else the definitive answer to andy's question?
Sh.
I always thought that frames were a no-no because they broke url
navigation. For example, the user could be a few clicks deep in a
frameset, but the url stills says www.xyz.com. When they make a
bookmark expecting it to take them to that deeper level, it just takes
them back to the main page.
Of course, AJAX now causes essentially the same problem, but
apparently it's a lot cooler than frames were, so it can get away with
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