Best IDE for PHP...?

[Frank]

What is the best IDE for developing PHP applications?
What do you use and why?
Thanks.

[the QuiX project]

uws wrote:

What about VIM [1]? It's a very powerful, open-source, free, moded editor.

mvrgr, Wouter

[1] http://www.vim.org/

I second that!

Once you get used to it, you'll find VIM is a great editor.
I use it on Linux (and Windows).

On Linux, I also use KATE, (and on Windows, UltraEdit).

And despite the ongoing debate between VI(M) & EMACS users (about which
is the best editor), I also like (X)EMACS...

The advantage of all these editors, is that you can use them for any
number of languages, which is something I need, since I use C, C++, PHP,
Java, Python, Perl, Clean, Bash, and maybe even more languages ....

But of course, that's just my opinion...

Regards,
Felix

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[Joshua Ghiloni]

> Okay, let's see how this holy war's doing...

Bruno

Your Favorite Editor Sucks! (TM) :)

And no, I don't like emacs. I don't have anything particularly against
it, I just never got the hang of the keyboard shortcuts. I much prefer
vi. Vim is nice, but good ol' vi is all I really need to do anything :)

[Phil Roberts]

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures Brandon
Blackmoor <bb********@spa mcop.net> leapt forth and uttered:

steffen horst wrote:

i don't know textpad. why is it better?

You will have to answer that for yourself:
http://www.textpad.com/

You know, it doesn't really matter as none of the above are IDE's.
They're just text editors.

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[Jules Alberts]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:51:16 +0200, uws wrote:

I <Xn************ *************@2 06.127.4.21>, Phil Roberts skrev:

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures Brandon Blackmoor
<bb********@spa mcop.net> leapt forth and uttered:

steffen horst wrote:
i don't know textpad. why is it better?
You will have to answer that for yourself: http://www.textpad.com/

You know, it doesn't really matter as none of the above are IDE's.
They're just text editors.

That's not totally true. For instance, VIM can deal correctly with
makefiles, compilers and code formatters.

IMO the most important feature of an IDE is debugging (step etc.). I
practically live in Vim, but alas, it won't do this :-\

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Jules Alberts wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:51:16 +0200, uws wrote:

I <Xn************ *************@2 06.127.4.21>, Phil Roberts skrev:
(snip)

You know, it doesn't really matter as none of the above are IDE's.
They're just text editors.

That's not totally true. For instance, VIM can deal correctly with
makefiles, compilers and code formatters.

IMO the most important feature of an IDE is debugging (step etc.). I
practically live in Vim, but alas, it won't do this :-\

IMHO, debugging is the most important feature of a debugger !-)

Bruno

[Louis-Philippe Huberdeau]

Code without bugs and you won't need a debugger ;) Structure your code
well, think about it a few times, keep expressions and operations
simple. If you do the above and take your time to code, you won't need a
debugger so much. Of course, code is ready in a little more time, but
you reduce by a lot the debugging time and you might even get less
trouble when time to maintain come.

Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:

Jules Alberts wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:51:16 +0200, uws wrote:

I <Xn************ *************@2 06.127.4.21>, Phil Roberts skrev:
(snip)
You know, it doesn't really matter as none of the above are IDE's.
They're just text editors.
That's not totally true. For instance, VIM can deal correctly with
makefiles, compilers and code formatters.

IMO the most important feature of an IDE is debugging (step etc.). I
practically live in Vim, but alas, it won't do this :-\

IMHO, debugging is the most important feature of a debugger !-)

Bruno

[Jonathan Romero]

I have been very comfortable using VIM. One thing that I could reccomend as an alternative to an external debugger is to write a set of functions that you can call from within your PHP scripts when starting new sections of code.

I wrote a set of logger functions that output to a text file on the server. If something wierd happens while I am testing some new PHP code I can watch how it happens by reading the text file. If in the future I finish getting the functions to output to the syslog interface I will be able to do

tail --follow /var/log/messages

to watch the code in action.

-Jonathan

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:51:16 +0200
uws <uw*@xs4all.inv alid> wrote:

I <Xn************ *************@2 06.127.4.21>, Phil Roberts skrev:

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures Brandon
Blackmoor <bb********@spa mcop.net> leapt forth and uttered:

steffen horst wrote:
i don't know textpad. why is it better?
You will have to answer that for yourself:
http://www.textpad.com/

You know, it doesn't really matter as none of the above are IDE's.
They're just text editors.

That's not totally true. For instance, VIM can deal correctly with
makefiles, compilers and code formatters.

mvrgr, Wouter

--
uws mail uw*@xs4all.nl

you're the mixed up girl that everybody leaves behind -- our lady peace

[Quinten Carlson]

I am using anyedit and it is working pretty well for me. Line numbering,
multiple documents accessible via tabs, fast, and free, what else do you
need? I remapped all of my file types (html, php, inc, txt) to anyedit.

http://www.anyedit.org/

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"Phil Roberts" <ph*****@HOLYfl atnetSHIT.net> wrote in message
news:Xn******** *************** **@206.127.4.21 ...

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures Brandon
Blackmoor <bb********@spa mcop.net> leapt forth and uttered:

steffen horst wrote:

i don't know textpad. why is it better?

You will have to answer that for yourself:
http://www.textpad.com/

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Louis-Philippe Huberdeau wrote:

(please dont top-post - corrected)

Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:

Jules Alberts wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:51:16 +0200, uws wrote:
I <Xn************ *************@2 06.127.4.21>, Phil Roberts skrev:
(snip)

> You know, it doesn't really matter as none of the above are IDE's.
> They're just text editors.

That's not totally true. For instance, VIM can deal correctly with
makefiles, compilers and code formatters.


IMO the most important feature of an IDE is debugging (step etc.). I
practically live in Vim, but alas, it won't do this :-\

IMHO, debugging is the most important feature of a debugger !-)

Code without bugs and you won't need a debugger ;) Structure your code
well, think about it a few times, keep expressions and operations
simple. If you do the above and take your time to code, you won't need a
debugger so much. Of course, code is ready in a little more time, but
you reduce by a lot the debugging time and you might even get less
trouble when time to maintain come.

I guess you're not answering to the right person !-)

It may not have been clear, but was I was trying to express is that a
debugger, how useful it can be in some situations, is certainly not the
most essential tool for a developer.

Now, your advices are all really good, and I'd just had 'unit test' to
it. But still it won't make 100% bug free code...

my 2 cents...
Bruno

[Kevin Thorpe]

Joshua Ghiloni wrote:

Okay, let's see how this holy war's doing...

Bruno

Your Favorite Editor Sucks! (TM) :)

Anything has got to be better than a card punch. Not even emacs has a
function to randomly shuffle your lines of code like dropping a process
pack (at least I don't think so).

Editing programs on tape was interesting as well. Pass me the razor
blade will you?