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Can you all give me your best recommendation( s) for books on AJAX ?

Thanks ...

- E -
Feb 8 '06
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"VK" <sc**********@y ahoo.com> wrote:

Elizabeth wrote:
.. this book supposedly has only one chapter on AJAX ... where is it
that you can see the sample chapters ? Amazon does not have them ..


Why do you expect an entire book about Ajax?
Ajax in it's current state is nothing but uniformed build up over
IXMLHTTPRequest (IE) and XMLHttpRequest (FF etc.) Plus a dozen or bugs
across different browsers to take into account, plus a dozen of tricks.
Enough for a good online article or a printed chapter. But what do you
suppose to write a *book* about?


- Drag & Drop
- Dynamic table reordering
- WYSIWIG editors
- maybe a bit on the server side?

No idea if a JavaScript book covers the first 3 though.

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Feb 9 '06 #11
Elizabeth said the following on 2/9/2006 2:09 PM:
Nobody seems to want to recommend an AJAX book or books; is that because
there aren't any good ones ?


Precisely. If anybody were to sit down right now and write a book on
this "AJAX" then 99% of it would have to be dedicated to explaining the
problems with it in it's current state. The page referred to in the FAQ
<URL: http://jibbering.com/2002/4/httprequest.html >
Has everything you need at the moment to make an HTTPRequest Object. Why
clutter it up just to make it a "book"?

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Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/
Feb 9 '06 #12
John Bokma said the following on 2/9/2006 2:19 PM:
"VK" <sc**********@y ahoo.com> wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:
.. this book supposedly has only one chapter on AJAX ... where is it
that you can see the sample chapters ? Amazon does not have them .. Why do you expect an entire book about Ajax?
Ajax in it's current state is nothing but uniformed build up over
IXMLHTTPRequest (IE) and XMLHttpRequest (FF etc.) Plus a dozen or bugs
across different browsers to take into account, plus a dozen of tricks.
Enough for a good online article or a printed chapter. But what do you
suppose to write a *book* about?


- Drag & Drop


Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
- Dynamic table reordering
Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
- WYSIWIG editors
Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
- maybe a bit on the server side?
Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
No idea if a JavaScript book covers the first 3 though.


Probably none of them.

--
Randy
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq & newsgroup weekly
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/
Feb 9 '06 #13

"VK" <sc**********@y ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g47g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

Elizabeth wrote:
.. this book supposedly has only one chapter on AJAX ... where is it
that you can see the sample chapters ? Amazon does not have them ..
Why do you expect an entire book about Ajax?


I don't *expect* anything; I was looking for a "book" because it's a
commonly used unit of delivery; it doesn't have to be an "entire book" in
the sense of having some large number of pages .. I really don't care if
it's a short PDF file; but I would like something which covers enough ground
in a single text to be able to start doing some useful work with this
collection of technologies. I just don't want to have to refer to XML tomes
to see some simple ways of parsing the returned stream, for one

There are of course several AJAX books on the market; from experience I
know a lot of what the "computer press" puts out is garbage .. sold by the
pound ... so I asked in a forum where I expected people might know which, if
any, of the books might be worth buying. Needless to say, I also appreciate
any non-book references as well .. if they're good
Ajax in it's current state is nothing but uniformed build up over
IXMLHTTPRequest (IE) and XMLHttpRequest (FF etc.)


that's a little bit like saying all you need or want to learn "C" is the
ANSI specifications .. good luck, have fun

E

Feb 9 '06 #14
Randy Webb <Hi************ @aol.com> wrote:
John Bokma said the following on 2/9/2006 2:19 PM:
"VK" <sc**********@y ahoo.com> wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:
.. this book supposedly has only one chapter on AJAX ... where is
it that you can see the sample chapters ? Amazon does not have
them ..
Why do you expect an entire book about Ajax?
Ajax in it's current state is nothing but uniformed build up over
IXMLHTTPRequest (IE) and XMLHttpRequest (FF etc.) Plus a dozen or
bugs across different browsers to take into account, plus a dozen of
tricks. Enough for a good online article or a printed chapter. But
what do you suppose to write a *book* about?


- Drag & Drop


Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
- Dynamic table reordering


Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
- WYSIWIG editors


Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.


Of course. In a similar way a book on CGI could be one page. Yet, the
books I have seen show shopping carts, web counters, dynamic page
creation, smart redirecting, email form handling, etc.
- maybe a bit on the server side?


Can be done without an HTTPRequest Object.
No idea if a JavaScript book covers the first 3 though.


Probably none of them.


So I just gave you an outline for a book on AJAX, and it wasn't even
hard :-D

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Feb 9 '06 #15
Randy Webb <Hi************ @aol.com> wrote:
Elizabeth said the following on 2/9/2006 2:09 PM:
Nobody seems to want to recommend an AJAX book or books; is that
because there aren't any good ones ?


Precisely. If anybody were to sit down right now and write a book on
this "AJAX" then 99% of it would have to be dedicated to explaining
the problems with it in it's current state. The page referred to in
the FAQ <URL: http://jibbering.com/2002/4/httprequest.html >
Has everything you need at the moment to make an HTTPRequest Object.
Why clutter it up just to make it a "book"?


Because you can read a book away from the computer, which to me is the
recommended way to learn anything on programming in general: read the book
twice before you touch the computer.

I can already think up 3 chapters on AJAX that could be put before that
link you gave *without* even looking at it.

And probably have no problem to think up at least 7 chapters after it with
real world examples.

Sometimes knowing a technique is not enough, seeing it written out as an
example explaining the steps, the design decisions, etc. really makes a
lot clear.

--
John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html
Feb 9 '06 #16
VK

Elizabeth wrote:
I don't *expect* anything; I was looking for a "book" because it's a
commonly used unit of delivery; it doesn't have to be an "entire book" in
the sense of having some large number of pages .. I really don't care if
it's a short PDF file; but I would like something which covers enough ground
in a single text to be able to start doing some useful work with this
collection of technologies. I just don't want to have to refer to XML tomes
to see some simple ways of parsing the returned stream, for one

There are of course several AJAX books on the market; from experience I
know a lot of what the "computer press" puts out is garbage .. sold by the
pound ... so I asked in a forum where I expected people might know which, if
any, of the books might be worth buying. Needless to say, I also appreciate
any non-book references as well .. if they're good
Ajax in it's current state is nothing but uniformed build up over
IXMLHTTPRequest (IE) and XMLHttpRequest (FF etc.)


that's a little bit like saying all you need or want to learn "C" is the
ANSI specifications .. good luck, have fun


Do not get so defensive right a way. Ajax is an interface to get server
response without reloading or leaving the current page. Plain vanilla
all of it.
But after you got server data (would it be plain text, HTML, XML or
JSON objects) you naturally need to do something with it, otherwise why
would you try to get in the first place. So you will need to know how
to navigate through XML nodes, update page content, add rows to the
table etc. etc. This has nothing to do with Ajax, it's what was once
called DHTML. There are some good books about DHML, surprisingly (or
not) older they are - better they are.
If you know DHTML thus if you know how to change any given part of the
page in the wanted way, you don't care about Ajax anymore. It is just a
data delivery system. If you know what to do with data, you don't
really care how the data came to you. And if you don't know what do
with the data, then you don't really need it yet.

So if we are taking Ajax as it is, there is a very good article at
<http://www.jibbering.c om/2002/4/httprequest.htm l>

If we are taking Ajax in some superimposed meaning like "All kind of
cool things I can do in the modern Web" then I'm not ready to suggest
something right off my head. If you tell me what is your intended
future use of Ajax, I could possibly be more specific.

Feb 9 '06 #17
Elizabeth wrote:
Can you all give me your best recommendation( s) for books on AJAX ?


Ajax in Action, ISBN: 1932394613

Covers the basics pretty well.

--
Ian Collins.
Feb 9 '06 #18
"Elizabeth" <el*******@nosp am.com> wrote:
There are of course several AJAX books on the market; from experience
I know a lot of what the "computer press" puts out is garbage .. sold
by the pound ...


So very true.

Let me see: (Amazon)
<http://amazon.com/gp/search/ref=br_ss_hs/?search-alias=aps&keywo rds=ajax>

"Sams Teach Yourself AJAX in 10 Minutes"
no, reason: Sams and "10 minutes". Most books I have seen
with days, hours and minutes in them are crap

"Ajax For Dummies (For Dummies (Computer/Tech))"
no, reason: obvious :-)

So that's two less.

Personally I like O'Reilly and Wrox. Not sure if "JavaScript & DHTML
Cookbook" covers AJAX, and if it covers it good (Not all O'Reilly books
are good quality, sadly).

"Pragmatic Ajax : A Web 2.0 Primer" sounds promising.

Book Reviews: "Ajax in Action"
http://weblogs.asp.net/jasonsalas/ar...16/430681.aspx
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2005/1...n_book_review/
Ajax in it's current state is nothing but uniformed build up over
IXMLHTTPRequest (IE) and XMLHttpRequest (FF etc.)


that's a little bit like saying all you need or want to learn "C" is
the ANSI specifications .. good luck, have fun


Yup, and silly :-)

--
John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html
Feb 9 '06 #19

Elizabeth napisal(a):
Nobody seems to want to recommend an AJAX book or books; is that because
there aren't any good ones ?


Certainly not. The whole thing with AJAX and it's main object, which
is XmlHttpRequest, is about lack of standards or even recomendation
(mean of w3c.org). Different vendors implemented it by theirs way and
that is a fact, which in turn will persist in their product. Maybe in
this year (2006) the standard will emerge:

<URL:http://www.w3.org/2006/webapi/>

(as an addition (to responseXML and responseText) i would like to see
responseJSON property in XmlHttpObject, see
<URL:http://www.json.org/>).
In my opinion good source of start is

<URL:http://jibbering.com/2002/4/httprequest.htm l>

, and good use of is

<URL:http://www.ajaxtoolbox .com/>

(which reveals some aspects of XmlHttpRequest and the catches you might
run into using it).

The use of it is wide, including existing API (google API, gmail API...
others based on SOAP messaging and WebServices (WSDL)).
As far as i know none of existing books cover working examples covering
mentioned topics.

B.R.
Luke Matuszewski

Feb 9 '06 #20

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