>From the book I am using as a reference I understood that applet tag
was deprecated, but googling for information, and testing myself, it
seems IE does not work properly with this new object tag. So my effort
reading about the object tag was for nothing? Is there no way I can
make this work for IE and Mozilla?
<HTML>
<HEAD>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="FFFFFF ">
<CENTER>
<object classid="java:A wtCalcApplet.cl ass"
archive="AwtCal c.jar"
type="applicati on/x-java-applet"
codebase="."
width = "220"
height = "150" >
I do not have any object that is why I display this text
</object>
</CENTER>
</BODY>
</HTML>
Dec 9 '05
30  2518 
On 12/12/2005 12:02, VK wrote:
[snip] Leaving out that Java applets (not applications!) is mainly dead
technologie:
'Dead' isn't the right word. Like other third-party technologies,
including Flash, not everyone will have it, so expecting it to work
reduces the size of your audience.
<object> for Java is *very bad* because it implies a particular JVM to
use.
For IE, perhaps.
In the mixed environment (IE / others) it often happens that IE
uses much more effective Microsoft JVM
The Microsoft JVM? Now that /is/ dead. Recent versions of Windows won't
have it installed, anyway. Microsoft no longer continue to develop it,
and advise everyone that has it to migrate to something else. It is also
quite possible that the MSJVM will be too old to support a more recently
written applet (I'm not going to write one to check).
and "others" have to function under Sun plugin.
And that something else is likely to be the Sun Microsystems JRE.
More over "others" may have Sun plugin of one version and your
<object> will imply another version.
For browsers other than IE, there is no implied version. Certainly not
with the code I suggested. Moreover, IE will be instructed to use the
latest version, whatever that might be.
[snip]
It caused in the past several major virus-like epidemies across
Java-users: you have plugin 1.3.0, applet object codebase implies
1.3.1, it downloads 1.3.1, breaks your 1.3.0 plus make it default VM
for Microsoft which already had MS JVM...etc...
That seems to be scaremongering, though not something I'm in a position
to test.
Yes, the codebase attribute can be used automatically update the JRE if
it indicates that a newer version is necessary to use the applet, but
that it will break anything is a dubious notion, otherwise Microsoft
wouldn't allow it to happen.
[snip]
Mike
--
Michael Winter
Prefix subject with [News] before replying by e-mail.
On 12/12/2005 10:01, marc wrote:
[snip] Mike, what is this magic number
"8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93"?
Simply put, it identifies the Java Run-time Environment in the Windows
Registry. IE will try to find it using that value, run it, and pass the
applet to it.
Other plug-ins, like Flash, also have these identifiers.
[snip]
Mike
--
Michael Winter
Prefix subject with [News] before replying by e-mail.
Michael Winter wrote: *very respectfully* <snip>
pls see the thread for details
The problem resides in the very nature of <object>: it implies *a
particular instance of a particular application". If you manage to
force <object> to work like "gimme something of such kind" it will be
already a misuse of the <object> tag. Plus such misuse will not be
guaranteed (and why should it?) across all platforms and applications.
Microsoft JVM is indeed not supported anymore by Microsoft but stull
there are hundreds of places to download the last official update, plus
it is still manageable through the IE settings (up to IE 6.x) The
reason why many Windows-people choose MS JVM (even not supported
anymore) over Sun JVM is the speed (turtle vs. light).
To OP: if my IE vs. People story was interesting to you then you indeed
want to support MS JVM? If so, then you have to forget the Swing sick
sh**. I guess it's clear to you?
VK wrote: Michael Winter wrote: *very respectfully* <snip>
pls see the thread for details
The problem resides in the very nature of <object>: it implies *a
particular instance of a particular application".
It does not.
If you manage to force <object> to work like "gimme something of
such kind" it will be already a misuse of the <object> tag. [...]
No, it is not. Sun itself states that the special Class ID
8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93 will always refer to the latest
installed version of the JRE, no matter what version that might be --
they call that "dynamic versioning". It is also stated that the JRE
Plugin supports the `object' element since it was officially introduced
in browsers (NN6 [1998]; IE3 [1996-08], IE4 [1997-10] for scripts).
Could we please return to discussing on-topic -- J(ava)Script/ECMAScript?
PointedEars
VK: To OP: if my IE vs. People story was interesting to you then you indeed
want to support MS JVM?
Well since it is an intranet application and I can be fairly sure about
the present and future browsers used, I just made this. Although some
would shudder form my code I guess, it works for me.
<form action="scan" method="post">
<br/>
<br/>
<!--[if IE]>
<applet code='JTwainApp let.class' archive='/JTwain.jar' codebase='/' >
</applet>
<![endif]-->
<![if !IE]>
<object classid='java:J TwainApplet.cla ss' archive='/JTwain.jar'
type='applicati on/x-java-applet' codebase='/'> </object>
<![endif]>
</form>
On 2005-12-12, marc <ma*********@ho tmail.com> wrote: "8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93"?
If I search around it seems that it is used very often, and it seems it
is not a UID that is dependent of the applet, but a sort of alternative
'active x class number', that indicates that it is not an active x
object but a java applet. Hence the number is the same for all applets,
and which specific applet to start is identified in the parameters?
But that's just so weird, I cannot believe it's programmed this way.
First I thought I should somehow get a specific class id number for
each applet, somehow. Or I should register a number in the registry?
I am confused by this...
Why can't the java engine be the activex object?
Bye.
Jasen
Jasen: Why can't the java engine be the activex object?
Ok..., Jasen, you probably mean the engine can be the activex object?
But could you please explain more, and not just make a remark, which
they would call I think in German Klug Scheisserei or something. What
the English term for this is I do not know. Or to say it in Dutch, stop
the 'betweterij' and explain what you bedoelt.
So you can register any engine, JRE or also for example Flash in the
same whey as an active x object, and IE would call it by the same means
as an active x object, right?? That's essentially what happens?
And I excuse myself to Pointer Ears, who probably shudders at this
moment for all this off topic content, sorry, sorry.
marc wrote: Jasen: Why can't the java engine be the activex object?
Ok..., Jasen, you probably mean the engine can be the activex object?
But could you please explain more, and not just make a remark, which
they would call I think in German Klug Scheisserei or something. [...]
And I excuse myself to Pointer Ears, who probably shudders at this
moment for all this off topic content, sorry, sorry.
PLONK
Man you are a sick joke really! Typical German Klug Scheisser!
Me: But could you please explain more, and not just make a remark, which
they would call I think in German Klug Scheisserei or something. [...]
....
> And I excuse myself to Pointer Ears, who probably shudders at this
moment for all this off topic content, sorry, sorry.
Thomas:
PLONK
Ooops....well sorry....
Euh, well actually, that probably...soun ds a bit anti German, but
that's not what I meant. I am not anti German. It's just the perfect
word, in German, for something like what people sometimes do. Make one
clever remark, and then don't explain what they really mean. I am very,
very anti Klug Scheisserei though, that is true.
Nevertheless I will study some more on this subject in general. That's
probably the best to do then :-)
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