I want to have an onUnload that runs only when the site is left, not when
the current page is unloaded. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Ross
Jul 23 '05
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How about defaulting to false, then setting to true with OnLoad, in essense
reversing the sense.
"rubikzube* " <th************ @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com.. . You will have to know before the unload where the client is going and
as far as I know there is no built in way of knowing that via the DOM.
The only way I can think of accomplishing this is to set an "isLeaving"
flag on every page of your site and default it to true. Whenever you
navigate to another page in your site you will have to set it to false.
Then in the unload you can check to see the status of the flag.
This method will probably turn into pain in the ass to do on every page
(although you may be able to trap most items with a script to chase
down onSubmit onClick events) but I can't think of a better way.
Anyone else?
Ross M. Greenberg wrote on 14 dec 2004 in comp.lang.javas cript:
"Evertjan." <ex************ **@interxnl.net > wrote in message
news:Xn******** ************@19 4.109.133.29... Ross M. Greenberg wrote on 14 dec 2004 in comp.lang.javas cript:
> Sigh. There has to be something for this!
[Please do not topost on usenet]
No, you cannot detect something that is not defined.
"leaving a site" in the logical sense has no meaning to me.
It may not be formally defined,
It is not about a "formal definition", but what YOU mean by it defined in
a technical complete way.
but how about "when the host changes"?
The host of what?
Of a browser page?
Talking IE, when you pass to another page with shift-clicking a link, you
have two pages. Do you define closing one of the pages as leaving a site?
Even if there is one browser page, pulling the mains plug is not
"detected".
=============== ==
Your misconception IMHO is, that, as long as a page is on a browser, you
are "connected" to the "host". This is not true. "Connected" does not
exist in the HTML world.
If your employer wants this,
it is your task as the specialist to explain his/her folly.
--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
"Evertjan." <ex************ **@interxnl.net > wrote in message
news:Xn******** ************@19 4.109.133.29... Ross M. Greenberg wrote on 14 dec 2004 in comp.lang.javas cript:
"Evertjan." <ex************ **@interxnl.net > wrote in message
news:Xn******** ************@19 4.109.133.29... Ross M. Greenberg wrote on 14 dec 2004 in comp.lang.javas cript:
> Sigh. There has to be something for this!
[Please do not topost on usenet]
No, you cannot detect something that is not defined.
"leaving a site" in the logical sense has no meaning to me.
It may not be formally defined,
It is not about a "formal definition", but what YOU mean by it defined in
a technical complete way.
but how about "when the host changes"?
The host of what?
Of a browser page?
if I'm at http://www.foo.bar/whatever.htm, then going to
http://www.yahoo.com
Talking IE, when you pass to another page with shift-clicking a link, you
have two pages. Do you define closing one of the pages as leaving a site?
Nope. Just going to a "new" site.
Even if there is one browser page, pulling the mains plug is not
"detected".
That's why I want to detect the address of the page I'm *about* to open,
check the root-site.host and trigger if there's no match.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Ross M. Greenberg
<gr******@catsk ill.net> wrote:
Don't top-post and don't quote signatures! "Michael Winter" <M.******@bluey onder.co.invali d> wrote in message
news:opsi0kwiy0 x13kvk@atlantis ...
[snip] What are you trying to achieve, and why?
For a commercial site, I want to open a survey page when they exit from
the site from any page, but not as they transit along the site's many
pages.
I'm afraid I'll have to be blunt: why on Earth should I, or anyone else,
tell you how to do that?
Provide a link to the survey and ask, discreetly, for visitors to fill it
in. If they're willing to do it, they'll activate the link and take the
survey. If they're not willing, they'll get annoyed, close the window, and
may not come back.
Don't annoy your users. It's the sensible, and ethical, thing to do.
Mike
--
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Replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply by e-mail.
"Michael Winter" <M.******@bluey onder.co.invali d> wrote in message
news:opsi0o0f06 x13kvk@atlantis ... On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Ross M. Greenberg
<gr******@catsk ill.net> wrote:
Don't top-post and don't quote signatures!
"Michael Winter" <M.******@bluey onder.co.invali d> wrote in message
news:opsi0kwiy0 x13kvk@atlantis ...
[snip]
What are you trying to achieve, and why?
For a commercial site, I want to open a survey page when they exit from
the site from any page, but not as they transit along the site's many
pages.
I'm afraid I'll have to be blunt: why on Earth should I, or anyone else,
tell you how to do that?
Aside from the challenge?
Provide a link to the survey and ask, discreetly, for visitors to fill it
in. If they're willing to do it, they'll activate the link and take the
survey. If they're not willing, they'll get annoyed, close the window, and
may not come back.
Don't annoy your users. It's the sensible, and ethical, thing to do.
The survey in mind seeks to ask them directly what they liked or did not
like about the site. I'm seeing more than a few users leaving the site from
its home page. I need to find out why so I can fix what they don't like.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:35:33 -0500, Ross M. Greenberg
<gr******@catsk ill.net> wrote:
[Opening a survey when leaving a site]
Whilst it is technically possible, it won't actually serve much purpose
for the reason I mentioned previously: user's generally don't like having
a questionaire shoved in their face. Moreover, if you use a pop-up to
present this survey, every pop-up blocker in existence will prevent it
from appearing.
[snip] The survey in mind seeks to ask them directly what they liked or did not
like about the site. I'm seeing more than a few users leaving the site
from its home page. I need to find out why so I can fix what they don't
like.
That might depend on your content. For example, users might be arriving
because your site appeared in a search result whilst they're looking for
some information. When they view your site, they may discover that you
don't provide what they were looking for, so they leave. Alternatively,
they may be unsure of whether your site is appropriate and for some reason
- bad navigation or unappealing appearance, for example - they're not
inclined to investigate further.
The people over at alt. www.webmaster might have a few suggestions.
Mike
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Ross M. Greenberg wrote: "Michael Winter" <M.******@bluey onder.co.invali d> wrote in message
news:opsi0o0f06 x13kvk@atlantis ...
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Ross M. Greenberg
<gr******@cat skill.net> wrote:
Don't top-post and don't quote signatures!
"Michael Winter" <M.******@bluey onder.co.invali d> wrote in message
news:opsi0kw iy0x13kvk@atlan tis...
[snip]
What are you trying to achieve, and why?
For a commercial site, I want to open a survey page when they exit from
the site from any page, but not as they transit along the site's many
pages.
I'm afraid I'll have to be blunt: why on Earth should I, or anyone else,
tell you how to do that?
Aside from the challenge?
You can take this "challenge" for as long as you want, and you will
still ultimately fail in the end. The browser has NO way to know where I
am going, unless its from a link within the page.
But tell us this.
Lets say I am on page234.html on your site.
I have page352.html bookmarked.
I click the page352.html bookmark.
Did I leave the site?
The answer is no but your script will fail to know that.
The survey in mind seeks to ask them directly what they liked or did not
like about the site. I'm seeing more than a few users leaving the site from
its home page. I need to find out why so I can fix what they don't like.
Then put the link on the main page. As was pointed out, if the user
wants to fill it out, they will. <sarcasm>If they don't, then popping up
a survey page will surely entice them to.</sarcasm>
Thats assuming that Scripting is enabled and that you can actually open
a survey page.
--
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Ross M. Greenberg wrote on 14 dec 2004 in comp.lang.javas cript: The host of what?
Of a browser page?
if I'm at http://www.foo.bar/whatever.htm, then going to
http://www.yahoo.com
That is no answer to my question. You are not going from one place to
another but your browser page is. But another pge can stay on the old
host. The host OF WHAT?
Talking IE, when you pass to another page with shift-clicking a link,
you have two pages. Do you define closing one of the pages as leaving
a site?
Nope. Just going to a "new" site.
Strange. Same objection as above. see below. Even if there is one browser page, pulling the mains plug is not
"detected".
That's why I want to detect the address of the page I'm *about* to
open, check the root-site.host and trigger if there's no match.
Only by comparing domains in the code could this be accomlished.
It would be an infringement of browser security, if the code of your page
would be able to know the domain of the next page if typed in or
favoritized.
No one in his right mind would want that information to be sent back to
the server of the old page, because all privacy would be gone.
--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
"Randy Webb" <Hi************ @aol.com> wrote in message
news:lP******** ************@co mcast.com... You can take this "challenge" for as long as you want, and you will
still ultimately fail in the end. The browser has NO way to know where I
am going, unless its from a link within the page.
I thought an event was triggered when a web page is about to be accessed --
aren't custom 404's generated locally for invalid URLs, for example?
But tell us this.
Lets say I am on page234.html on your site.
I have page352.html bookmarked.
I click the page352.html bookmark.
Did I leave the site?
If the http://<whatever> is the same, no. If different, yes.
The answer is no but your script will fail to know that.
The survey in mind seeks to ask them directly what they liked or did not
like about the site. I'm seeing more than a few users leaving the site
from its home page. I need to find out why so I can fix what they don't like.
Then put the link on the main page. As was pointed out, if the user
wants to fill it out, they will. <sarcasm>If they don't, then popping up
a survey page will surely entice them to.</sarcasm>
But this was a means to get them to let me know *as* they leave, not when
they're still at/just arrived at the site.
Thats assuming that Scripting is enabled and that you can actually open
a survey page.
Well, yeah, there's that, too :-)
"Evertjan." <ex************ **@interxnl.net > wrote in message
news:Xn******** ***********@194 .109.133.29... Ross M. Greenberg wrote on 14 dec 2004 in comp.lang.javas cript:
The host of what?
Of a browser page?
if I'm at http://www.foo.bar/whatever.htm, then going to
http://www.yahoo.com
That is no answer to my question. You are not going from one place to
another but your browser page is. But another pge can stay on the old
host. The host OF WHAT?
The pages stay at the host, obviously. The base of the URL can be considered
the host for these purposes, however.
Only by comparing domains in the code could this be accomlished.
It would be an infringement of browser security, if the code of your page
would be able to know the domain of the next page if typed in or
favoritized.
I had thought the address you were *about* to go to would be available until
the event (onunload) had finished.
No one in his right mind would want that information to be sent back to
the server of the old page, because all privacy would be gone.
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